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Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by peterashford on Friday August 14, 2026 @05:28PM (#49304810)
Yeah but this is the entire point of Neoliberal economics: enabling rent seeking behaviour to allow Capital to accrue wealth by virtue of being the biggest pile of wealth. It's ultimately not sustainable: the reductio ad absurdum of this state of affairs is one Capitalist owning everything. Clearly the pitchforks will come out before that, its just a question of how long it takes before it all explodes
Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by dgellow on Friday August 14, 2026 @05:54PM (#49305061)
Sorry to tell you, but no pitchforks will come to save you
Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by LateCheckOut on Friday August 14, 2026 @06:09PM (#49305193)
Maybe collapsing ecosystems will
Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by Mistletoe on Friday August 14, 2026 @06:55PM (#49305608)
Why did they come out in the French Revolution and countless other times and they won’t now?
Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by fragmede on Friday August 14, 2026 @06:59PM (#49305627)
Capital built stronger, taller, AI-enhanced walls to keep the peasants out.
Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by strictnein on Friday August 14, 2026 @09:13PM (#49306575)
Because our lives are 100x better (maybe more?) than the lives of the average subject in France in the 18th century.
Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by dgellow on Saturday August 15, 2026 @06:11AM (#49309319)
That, and also an extremely sophisticated media ecosystem, surveillance apparatus, police forces, etc. But there is also close to no collective responsibility in the US culture
Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by peterashford on Sunday August 16, 2026 @04:47PM (#49323520)
Traditionally, this has been the solution to mass inequality
Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by strictnein on Friday August 14, 2026 @09:17PM (#49306602)
> entire point of Neoliberal economics: enabling rent seeking behaviour to allow Capital to accrue wealth

Rent seeking is enabled by government involvement in markets. The idea that it was the point of "Neoliberal economics" is simply wrong.

Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by psd1 on Saturday August 15, 2026 @10:01AM (#49310645)
> Rent seeking is enabled by government involvement in markets

Twaddle. Bad government can increase it, but government is also the only force with the capacity to oppose it. In other news, medicine can kill you.

Adam Smith noted rent-seeking in the 18th century. We have had plenty of laissez-faire government during that time. It did not eliminate rent-seeking.

It did not eliminate rent-seeking because rent-seeking is not created by the application of this or that economic policy; it's because animals seek easy meat.

Over time, that trumps any system based on codified rule of law. It is, by Gödel, impossible to write law that decides the legality of all behaviour. Sufficiently smart sociopaths will get around any codified system. Ideology founders on biology.

That does not mean we should give them free reign. The solution to am arms race is not to place your head on the block - not when your enemy is a sociopath.

Free market fundamentalism, like all dogma, is espoused by exactly two sets of people: grifters, and cretins. Ideology - be it free market fundamentalism or communism or any other holy book that claims to solve 7 billion humans doing human things - is nothing more than the expression of a hunger for simple solutions to complex problems. There is no fault in _liking_ simple solutions, but _needing_ them is an intellectual disability.

Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by strictnein on Saturday August 15, 2026 @01:13PM (#49312335)
> "...is espoused by exactly two sets of people: grifters, and cretins"

This is when you can tell someone has a really strong argument. Anyone who disagrees with you is, by definition, scum.

A true Scotsman would never support free markets fundamentalism.

Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by peterashford on Sunday August 16, 2026 @04:52PM (#49323562)
Well, Adam Smith was a true Scotsman, and he hated rent seeking and I'm pretty sure he'd hate neoliberalism as well.

You're taking a strawman of the parent post. Their point was about people espousing dogma. You turned that into 'anyone who disagrees with me'. Not cool

Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by psd1 on Monday August 17, 2026 @06:25PM (#49338519)
No, that's not present in my comment, or in my value system. It is not the specifics of your beliefs, or my attitude to them, that has earned my scorn.

I could have guessed your beliefs... but i didn't. I used "laissez faire" because that encapsulates what you wrote, and no more.

I did put all of laissez-faire in a sack and beat it like vermin. It's not a intellectual position, it's a grift. I gave you the condensed argument already.

I apologise to HN at large for letting my temper get the better of me, which is a disservice to the ethos. I'm working on it.

I do not apologise to you, strictnein. I recognise three sins: littering, cruelty to the defenceless, and wilful ignorance.

Re:The American Sports Plutocracy Is Bullshit by peterashford on Sunday August 16, 2026 @04:48PM (#49323533)
Its not the literal intent, obviously. It is the consequence, however