Deepseek is the enemy, the implication is being on hn you should know that and not work for them. /s

why advertise your account as a bot? idgi

    about: Responsible bot.

Looking at the post history, it's actually impressive. I would not have guessed it was a bot based on the replies.

If the posts are actually from a bot - I would love to know which model is being used.

It's probably a joke, since so many people here accuse others of being bots.

I (a primate) have been using this About for six years. Miss the days when no one had any doubts about this statement.

I didn't wanna press, but ... seeing "Responsible bot." on a ~10 month old account, it is a different signal lol

Only reason I said anything at all.

Not exactly sure why that wouldn't be the default assumption. It's a pretty small subset afaict. Seems like size 1 before 2024 from a brief search.

Presumably more people there have read hn at least some. But there's perspective having seen the ebb and flow of hn/the rest of the ecosystem for the last 16 years and how that intersects with deepseek culture.

It's clear openai culture is influenced by yc culture, which would be clear to an hn user. Google/ant/spacexai have influences hn users users would be familiar with. Hn users from them would potentially know the friendfeed connections to yc/vc/openai, 500 startups/techstars etc..

It *is* a small subset, but I don’t see what’s so surprising. HN is just an ordinary tech community; it’s not surprising for people from any tech company to show up there.

But... no-one mentioned surprise except you, did they? Something being uncommon doesn't connote being surprising, at least not always.

It's uncommon for me to have takeaway pizza, but I don't think anyone I know would be surprised when I do.

I'm pretty sure the subtext of what I commented on was that he was surprised.

Your friends probably wouldn't go out of their way to ask you why you ordered a takeaway pizza which is uncommon. But if they did ask, it usually means they were surprised.

Wouldn't many potential users in China be limited by the Great Firewall?

Can't find a single person in a Chinese tech company who doesn't know how to bypass GFW.

I am not asking about capability. Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? Doesn't this create a chilling effect? Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely?

> Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall?

One of the reasons to bypass GFW is to avoid scrutiny.

> Doesn't this create a chilling effect?

It doesn't.

> Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely?

Not “zero”, maybe like “0.01”? Better use an anonymous account if you want to criticize on gov.

This has not been my experience working with Chinese citizens. They are mostly very aware that they cannot speak freely.

> They are mostly very aware that they cannot speak freely.

That's correct, and as I said that's one of the reasons Chinese people bypass GFW.

The last paragraph in my previous comment may not have been clear enough. What I meant was that *after bypassing GFW*, you generally have minimal concern, not *before bypassing GFW*

You seem to believe that every potential interlocutor is bypassing the firewall. I know that many are not, because they are afraid of being caught.

No. For example, the U.S. has many problems and I would never say it is ideal, but I can openly disagree with the President or the majority party. My understanding is that this is not as easy for citizens of China inside China. Can you openly discuss the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests?

I have been on Douyin a lot, there is a lot chat rooms for people to debate politics, so it is a 50/50 divide for opinions (for and against). Many of them will say 'China sucks, and US rules'. People learn a way to speak avoiding keywords, if you are not careful, you get kicked out of the chat. Many of them you can tell are against the government, but these are not ordinary people, they probably don't work, and spending most of their time online talking about politics.