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Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by qarl2 on Sunday August 09, 2026 @02:15PM (#49233968)
I don't doubt that massive organizations make a lot of errors.

I don't think it makes your point, tho. The question is error per volume.

I seriously doubt Gruber does the same amount of fact checking as a serious publication. And that was my point above.

But I could be wrong - if you actually know I'd love the answer.

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by dewey on Sunday August 09, 2026 @02:36PM (#49234217)
If your question is if a single person running a private blog has the same fact checking resources as a big news corporation, the answer is no but I'm not sure why you'd need me to tell you that.

As mentioned in Gruber's retraction (https://daringfireball.net/2026/08/retraction_app_store_reje...) it's the first time he had to retract something in 24 years. It doesn't really make sense to compare the two in any case as the stakes and resources are very different.

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by qarl2 on Sunday August 09, 2026 @02:43PM (#49234299)
No, my question is whether the per-story fact checking is equal, or much less.

I suspect it's much less. Do you know otherwise?

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by lostlogin on Sunday August 09, 2026 @03:10PM (#49234623)
> my question is whether the per-story fact checking is equal, or much less.

How could a one man operation have the fact checking machinery of some big paper, eg the NYT? Of course it’s less.

Keep in mind that he usually posts multiple times per week day.

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by qarl2 on Sunday August 09, 2026 @03:26PM (#49234787)
No. You misunderstand my question. Again.

I want to know if the human effort, per story, is the same as other publications. Does Gruber make a real fact checking effort, or does he merely trust his gut?

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by chipotle_coyote on Sunday August 09, 2026 @03:42PM (#49234997)
The retraction post from Gruber details ways in which he tried to fact-check this, including confirming that his understanding was correct with Mr. Godier and even running a draft of the post by him to make sure he'd stated the "facts" that Godier presented him correctly.

I'm not really sure what you're implicitly expecting him to have done "better" here. Ask Godier for a signed affidavit? Not publish this until he could get a statement from Apple to get their side of the story? (Which is to say, not publish it at all because the chances of Apple giving anyone "their side" of something like this is essentially zero.)

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by qarl2 on Sunday August 09, 2026 @04:07PM (#49235250)
> The retraction post from Gruber details ways in which he tried to fact-check this

Yes it does. To fact check this story - he asked the source (twice) if he was lying.

> I'm not really sure what you're implicitly expecting him to have done "better" here.

He could have asked for the full text of the rejection letter, which would have revealed the name switch. For starters.

Other journalists make a much stronger effort to avoid these kinds of errors.

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by ButlerianJihad on Sunday August 09, 2026 @03:57PM (#49235176)
I don't know, maybe google a few things? The most obvious search terms for me, turned up the pre-existence of the legitimate astronomy app, not to mention the trademarked name collision with a horror video game.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49217212

Perhaps engage critical thinking? Apply the CRAAP Test? Seek some independent confirmation of facts, rather than just being a mouthpiece for some hysterical acquaintance? If I had a Bitcoin for every time I heard some gamer was "banned for no reason!!1"

Apple could've denied the app just for clashing with the name of an existing game... a game that involved demons tossing fortune-telling cards around

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by jgruber on Sunday August 09, 2026 @09:55PM (#49238385)
I make a real fact-checking effort. In this case, the developer (Godier) sent me a video of the app in action. It’s a real app. He couldn’t send me a TestFlight to run (he said) because TestFlight submissions are taking a week or longer to get approved.

Obviously what I did wasn’t enough, but trust me, I try.

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by qarl2 on Sunday August 09, 2026 @10:01PM (#49238435)
Fair enough.

Did you ask him for the full rejection letter? That's the issue I raised below. I'm wondering if he forged the app name.

It seems like the situation still remains a little ambiguous - and forging the name on that letter would be definitive proof.

On the other hand, if you didn't ask for it - why not? It seems like the very least amount of verification you could have done.

Did it simply not occur to you that a source might lie?

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by qarl2 on Monday August 10, 2026 @05:38PM (#49250126)
No - really - my question here is an important one.

If you did not ask for the rejection letter - that would indicate that you didn't even do the most basic checking to determine the facts.

And that would seriously color your statement above "Trust me, I try."

I hope you answer.

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by qarl2 on Sunday August 16, 2026 @07:10PM (#49324741)
As it's been a week now without answer from you - I'm going to have to assume you're refusing to answer. Which means it's very likely you never did ask to see the rejection letter. Which means you did not do the most basic verification of your source's claims.

You try? You need to try much harder.

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by amazingman on Sunday August 09, 2026 @03:15PM (#49234664)
> The question is error per volume

> my question is whether the per-story fact checking is equal, or much less

Which is it?

Re:Mea Culpa – Dark Hours by qarl2 on Sunday August 09, 2026 @03:29PM (#49234827)
My dear friend, both questions are asking about the same ratio, just using different language.