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Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by badpun on Thursday August 06, 2026 @09:59AM (#49196829)
> I thought that was really interesting (and obviously wouldn't work in other countries).

I don't know about other countries, but in Poland you're just not required to cut down your lawn at all, unless it's a fire hazard (you have a lot of dead and dried up plants).

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by graemep on Thursday August 06, 2026 @10:06AM (#49196908)
I think legal requirements are a US thing. I had only heard of it in HOA run places though.

Here in the UK there are no usually legal requirements, but it might be a social problem as your neighbours will not like it.

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by voakbasda on Thursday August 06, 2026 @12:29PM (#49198918)
Not just HOAs. Talk grass allows insects and vermin to move more freely. In cities, this contributes to their spread, so some places have city-wide ordinances that require lawn maintenance.
Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by nsvd2 on Thursday August 06, 2026 @12:54PM (#49199246)
How terrifying that a bit of nature may be near a person! Better cover it with roundup so they don't have to suffer the horror of seeing a spider
Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday August 06, 2026 @01:07PM (#49199433)
Rat and mice infestations are not fun. I have had enough trouble dealing with my pollinator and monarch butterfly habitats and mice. I actually TRY to get rabbits and squirrels but mice go after their babies.
Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by horsawlarway on Thursday August 06, 2026 @01:11PM (#49199473)
I mean, I get it - I somewhat agree with your take, but this is somewhat of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" case.

I think you undermine your argument when you don't understand the complaint. Because I'd also like to see a lot more native plants, and less manicured, mono-culture yards with poison sprayed all over them.

But at least in my area, the problem isn't "oh look a spider"... it's "oh shit, that house is collapsing because of termites", and "Oh shit, my neighbor's mom's house just burned down because rats chewed through the wiring in the walls", and "Fuck me! That's hogweed growing in that yard! Time to call the city".

Pests are a real concern - they cause lots of monetary damage, and can seriously injure or hurt people if not monitored. Does that mean we should nuke everything with chemicals and make a sterile hellscape? No - I don't think it does.

But it doesn't pay to be dismissive either.

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by anon84873628 on Thursday August 06, 2026 @02:41PM (#49200605)
The complaint is not well founded and doesn't explain how native landscapes make the problem any worse.

A healthy ecosystem with owls, snakes, and coyotes will keep rodents in check. But well before that point, the ubiquitous feral domestic cats usually wreak havoc on pests and songbirds alike. Not to mention that most of the problem starts with bad food storage and waste management in the first place, not tall grasses or a few fruit trees (hence the flocks of pigeons and seagulls around parking lot dumpsters).

Plus, no one is trying to stop you from tenting houses for termites, which are meditated by landscape practices like mulch and irrigation rather than the types of plants themselves.

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by horsawlarway on Friday August 07, 2026 @09:20AM (#49209988)
The above post fails to distinguish between unmaintained and native.

Native is great. I'm with you entirely.

Failure to maintain the space is not. That causes expensive and annoying problems.

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by quickthrowman on Thursday August 06, 2026 @07:08PM (#49203867)
Most city code about turfgrass lawns mandates cutting them if you have one. If you don’t want to maintain a lawn by keeping it trimmed, rip it out. It’s a non-native monoculture, allowing it to grow un-maintained is uh, stupid. Rip the sod out and plant clover and daisies, problem solved.

My city also requires “noxious weeds” to be removed, which is a state requirement that the city inherited/adopted: https://www.mda.state.mn.us/minnesota-noxious-weed-list It’s comprised of invasive species like Japanese knotweed and buckthorn and others I am unfamiliar with. Our State Parks and also private landowners use goats to get rid of buckthorn similar to other places.

That being said, city code in my city would allow you to replace a grass law with clover or native plants/grasses or landscaping or wooded areas, etc. The code simply says “If you have a grass lawn you must cut it if the grass generates seeds or is 8” long.”

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by tobinfricke on Thursday August 06, 2026 @04:41PM (#49202238)
Apparently this text is part of the "International Property Management Code", which is incorporated into the municipal code of many cities?

https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IPMC2024P1/chapter-3-gener...

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by graemep on Thursday August 06, 2026 @06:08PM (#49203277)
So not just HOAs but very much US?
Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by quickthrowman on Thursday August 06, 2026 @07:17PM (#49203945)
Generally, property in places where the landscape is well-maintained is worth substantially more than property where half the lawns are uncut and the fence lines are overgrown with weeds.

The US is a land of individualists who also have most of their wealth tied up in their homes so property ordinances are popular, despite the “I can do whatever I want” attitude of American culture.

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by CRConrad on Saturday August 08, 2026 @09:21PM (#49227497)
Obviously, as can be seen from the word "International" in the name.

(See also: "World League", etc, etc ad nauseam.)

Re:Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't by quickthrowman on Thursday August 06, 2026 @07:03PM (#49203828)
There are municipalities in the US with lawn ordinances, mine has one.

> Tall Grass and Weeds

> Weeds or grass more than eight inches high or that have gone to seed must be cut or mowed. Noxious weeds, as defined by the state Department of Agriculture, must be controlled or destroyed completely.

Source: https://www.stpaul.gov/departments/safety-inspections/rent-b...

A lawn is not required, but if you have one, the grass must be cut if it seeds or is more than 8” long.