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Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by nneonneo on Thursday July 30, 2026 @11:15PM (#49118593)
The "Chinese social credit" system is vastly overblown.

I'm living here (China, Beijing and Jiangsu) now, and there are exactly two cases in the past eight months where the "social credit" system has had any impact at all:

- To open "take first pay after" vending machines. These are vending machines which are basically big locked fridges; if your credit score is high enough, you can open the machines, take whatever drinks/snacks you want, and they'll use (I presume) computer vision to charge you afterwards. If you don't have a high enough credit score, tough, you can't use them. (But there's almost always normal pay-first vending machines nearby).

- To borrow mobile charging packs (powerbanks). Some operators will let you "swipe your credit" (check your credit score) to take one without paying a deposit. If your credit score isn't high enough, you first pay e.g. a ¥99 deposit (~$15USD) which gets returned when you return the powerbank, not a big deal.

That's...it. My credit score is high enough on only one platform (Alipay), so I get to try what happens with both "high" and "low" credit, and I can confidently say these are the *only* two cases where I have even been asked to show the credit score. I have taken multiple train trips, bought lots of stuff in stores and restaurants, etc. without ever touching the "social credit score".

P.S. I literally don't even know how to raise my credit score, and neither do many of the folks who live here - again, not that it matters, because the score is simply not that important.

Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by rogerrogerr on Friday July 31, 2026 @02:02AM (#49119525)
I remember in the west a few years ago we were seeing purported pictures of electronic billboards in China shaming low-social-credit-havers. Was that all a weird psyop?
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by scns on Friday July 31, 2026 @04:31AM (#49120507)
> electronic billboards in China shaming low-social-credit-havers

It is people who did not pay their debts. Dr Jonathan Tam has a video on YT explaining it called:

Why the World Fell for China's Fake Dystopia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecx45eOuc0E

Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by inigyou on Friday July 31, 2026 @04:58AM (#49120688)
But the USA has a social credit score that affects a lot more about your life, doesn't it? Like whether you're allowed to have a house or a car.
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by ben_w on Friday July 31, 2026 @05:16AM (#49120806)
Social credit? Or money credit?

(Genuine question, I'm not American and don't have any desire to move to the US).

Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by xoa on Friday July 31, 2026 @07:09AM (#49121665)
>Social credit? Or money credit?

Neither. Above poster is wrong. You don't require anything to own a house or car in the US except your own cash/equiv. If you wish to borrow other people's money or property (in some cases at all when counterparty risk is high enough or buyers competitive enough, in most cases it's more a matter of interest rate), a sufficient credit score is the most standard and easy way to "make the case" that you will repay. But that's truly not at all required. I bought my current truck for $8100 cash on the table, I just showed up at the other guy's place and inspected it and chatted, looked good enough, paid him and we did the title change document, I screwed on a new plate and off I drove with it. Effectively zero dealers will not accept cash upfront. You can buy land and just build your own place.

Obviously, a lot of us find having credit very useful. And it's also both convenient and good for fairness/economic velocity/efficiency not to generally have to explicitly put up any extra collateral to get it or go through some complex old fashioned social dance. Hence "credit scores" that systemize a lot. But claiming they decide "whether you're allowed to have a house or a car" warps things badly.

Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by inigyou on Friday July 31, 2026 @07:37AM (#49121869)
They are the same thing. The Chinese social credit is mostly about money. The USA money credit is affected by social factors. They are the same.
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by NetMageSCW on Friday July 31, 2026 @10:13AM (#49123396)
What social factors do you imagine affect your credit score in the US?
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by inigyou on Friday July 31, 2026 @02:40PM (#49127035)
Like if you're arrested for some misdemeanor, that goes on your social credit score. If you're caught peeing in public your social credit score basically goes to zero (registered sex offender).
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by vdqtp3 on Friday July 31, 2026 @05:49PM (#49128930)
And neither of those will affect your US financial credit score
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by inigyou on Saturday August 01, 2026 @06:29AM (#49133045)
China also keeps separate scores but we just refer to them all together as a social credit score.
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday August 01, 2026 @05:27AM (#49132702)
That won’t affect your credit score, although many housing and employment concerns will run a background check and that can ruin your life.
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by deepsun on Friday July 31, 2026 @11:58AM (#49124736)
But you're talking about Beijing and Jiangsu. If you go to Xinjiang, bad score can get you literally imprisoned and tortured.
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by AlexeyBelov on Saturday August 01, 2026 @03:24AM (#49131966)
It's funny how non-Chinese people explain to Chinese people how things work in China.
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday August 01, 2026 @05:25AM (#49132689)
How many times have you been to Xinjiang? I’ve only been once, and didn’t notice any credits scoring going on even among Uighurs. I get that something bad must be going on sometimes, and maybe north Xinjiang (more populated, more Han) is a lot different from south Xinjiang (more Uighur), but if you visited Urumqi or Kashgar tomorrow, or even lived there, you probably wouldn’t notice much.
Re:I flagged two research papers for fake authors and both w... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday August 01, 2026 @05:22AM (#49132675)
I haven’t seen normal pay first vending machines anywhere but airports. I’m in Chengdu ATM, but there is usually a family mart or Lawsons to go to anyways.