this is simply false: bluesky moderating your account will have no effect on what happens with it on tangled. on the off-chance that your account is hosted by bluesky's PDS AND your account gets deleted for violating their terms, yes, you will lose complete access to that account. you can avoid this by either following their TOS or hosting your own PDS or joining the tangled PDS instead.

or keeping your own plc rotation key and a backup of your user repo, then you can migrate even after bluesky issues a takedown on your user.

Depends on the type of moderation. Most moderation, which happens via labels on Bluesky, doesn’t prevent you from logging into your account. That would require a full suspension or ban, which is much rarer. And, as others have noted, you could just move to a different PDS. You don’t even have to self-host!

This regularly happens with Microsoft's GitHub. You can also opt to not use Bluesky for authentication.

If this is a concern you can just migrate to a different PDS

Apparently, that’s not enough. You will also need your own “app view” which means you will be self hosting an over engineered forge with social features you can’t use… so why go that road to begin with is beyond me tbh.

This is incorrect. You don’t have to host your own tangled appvew to log into tangled without having your atproto account on Bluesky’s PDSes.

You CAN host your own Tangled AppView. You CAN host your own knot. You DO NOT have to in order to self host your own PDS. Each of these layers are decentralized from the other.

Nit pick: the layers are decoupled from each other, not decentralized. The data layer is internally decentralized. AppViews are a layer of centralized projections of the decentralized data layer.

what do you think tangled is if not an alternative appview? Tangled moderation isn't affected by bluesky moderation at all unless your account is hosted by them and you do something highly illegal like posting CSAM (PDS moderation is mainly about legal-to-serve stuff). you don't need to use bluesky or have your account hosted on bluesky to use tangled.

fwiw tangled itself is also an appview and they are gradually working on rebuilding it around their new XRPC oriented appview called bobbin.

The appeal of bobbin is it's fully stateless and pretty lightweight. IIRC you can run all the infra to run a proper tangled appview (including bobbin) all on your average lower middle end general purpose cloud instance.

this is like complaining that you can't login anywhere because google banned your gmail account...

And we don’t complain about that because nobody uses “sign in with google” for mission critical stuff. It’s absolutely a choice to tie all your things to a single corp.

> nobody uses “sign in with google” for mission critical stuff

There are lots of organizations out there, even multi-billion-dollar ones, using Google Workspaces.

im not even thinking about "sign in with google" here tbh im just thinking about how if google decides to block your access to gmail you won't be able to receive emails for things like verification codes, account recovery etc..

Isn't that the same as Github "moderating" my Github account for some unrelated reason? Also, since Bluesky is decentralised, can't I just host my own data?

GitHub - sensible folks have more than one account with access to critical bits. The really important things are probably mirrored.

Bluesky’s decentralisation is a “yes but it’s complicated and you can’t _just_ do anything”. I like that they’re experimenting with “apps” but source control feels a bit too far.

No it’s not! You’re just spouting falsehoods now.