kiwi farms and 4chan are relatively harmless compare to what Telegram enables yet kiwi farms was taken offline at the behest of a political camp that has certain opinions about very basic stuffs that shouldn't even be grounds to be considered.
For most people, the % of content that's "harmful" matters more than absolute harm numbers. This is a good thing, because otherwise after telegram, the next app to be canceled would be signal.
Literally what the fuck is this take? Kiwifarms' central purpose for existing is to organize doxxing and harassment efforts. It has harassed multiple people into committing suicide, and celebrates these murders as achievements. It is shameless to downplay that in the way you're doing.
4chan and Telegram are completely unrelated. They are low-censorship platforms. People can misuse them to commit harm, as they can misuse any place they're allowed to speak with privacy/anonymity, but the platforms do not exist for the explicit purpose to cause harm.
Discord at least attempts to do some moderation about this.
Telegram's strategy to deal with violent extremist groups on its platform is to not ban them but just make it hard to discover. But this doesn't stop someone already in the groups from inviting their buddies. I bet they actually prefer it this way.
I think this is not a line that can afford to be crossed. It is better for criminals and terrorists to be able to communicate privately than it is for no human anywhere ever to be able to communicate privately. It is not worth stripping the rights of billions of people to target a tiny minority of bad actors. And, given the trivial potential for authoritarian governments to misuse the power of absolute surveillance, I think the world we end up in would be much, much worse. Allowing nobody to privately communicate opposition to the government will lead to much worse outcomes than allowing nobody to privately communicate about crime, despite best intentions in short-term-thinking harm reduction. In addition to the criminal groups you mention it being wanted in Europe for, Telegram is also being prosecuted in Russia for harboring anti-Putin-regime activists! Such is the inherent nature of private communication.
Usually, the backdoor on apply to "regular" citizens, while the governments and military get exemptions from it.
If the balance of power wasnt so asymmetrical I would be inclined to emphasize with the position that E2EE is a bit of an over-correction. We would be remiss to ignore the practical concerns about nefarious actors using it to organize.
HOWEVER, we would ALSO be remiss to ignore the imbalance of power it would cause if ONLY the governments are privy to secrecy...
Oh extremists can also buy knives...
And now Europeans want everyone to send a selfie and a passport to register at sites, which only makes doxxing easier. Clowns.
Also, doxxing is relatively harmless. You won't die just because someone posts your passport online.
Jesus, do you have the object permanence of a 3-year-old? This part alone, no. But this then directly leads to hundreds of people harassing you, everyone you know, blackmailing you, etc. People get fired because their workplace doesn't want to deal with it, for fuck's sake.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30504812
alas, it appears that screeching and throwing rocks at powerless peasants didn't help to end the war.
I actually rep namecheap more now
sometimes I wonder if they did the same thing during Israel's carpet bombing of Palestinian civilians, or when America killed more children in a single humanitarian airstrike than Russia does in a year of its genocidal all-out war. probably not, it's different after all.
PS: The blog blanners and all that were so powerless, yet they still trigger you 4 years later?
> You accuse them of being hypocrites
They are.
> while you are here downplaying the importance of a large scale war
They aren't.
"I support current thing" /pol/ lingo implies their Ukraine banners were a reskin of BLM banners from a year before.
>PS: The blog blanners and all that were so powerless, yet they still trigger you 4 years later?
like I said, I found them amusing, especially those custom geofences on obscure blogs. a fucking John Johnson (they/them) from Oregon oblast goes out of his way to scold Ivan Ivanov (он/им) from Orenburg oblast for something John's own country did so many times in Ivan's lifetime he'd lost count.
also, all tech-adjacent Russians had VPNs by that point because of Taliban-tier morality policing, so bypassing those blocks took an eyeroll and two clicks.