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Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by applfanboysbgon on Thursday July 09, 2026 @09:50PM (#48854821)
Seriously. Yesterday there was a thread about a use-after-free bug in OpenBSD and despite BSD predating Rust by decades there were still people chiding the project for not using Rust (as though Rust would even protect you from all memory errors in a kernel project where you'd inevitably need to write unsafe Rust anyways!). Rust might be a fine language but it has the most toxic evangelist culture, bar none.
Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by throwaway27448 on Thursday July 09, 2026 @11:16PM (#48855352)
You have an awful low bar for what is considered chiding, damn

Then again, your very username implies an indulgence in viewing technology through the lens of fandoms which is... weird

Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by juudjjsa on Friday July 10, 2026 @12:06AM (#48855640)
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Rust proponent organizing social media brigades and making lists of people to target, apparently for harassment:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/6/1292

> Technical patches and discussions matter. Social media brigading - no than\k you.

https://archive.md/rESxe

> Thinking of literally starting a Linux maintainer hall of shame. Not for public consumption, but to help new kernel contributors know what to expect.

> Every experienced kernel submitter has this in their head, maybe it should be finally written down.

> Okay I literally just started this privately and the first 3 names involved are all people named variants on "Christ". Maybe there's a pattern here... religion secretly trying to sabotage the Linux kernel behind the scenes???

> Edit: /s because apparently some people need it.

Steve Klabnik and much of the Rust community vehemently defending and justifying Hector Martin's actions here and elsewhere.

>

Attempted murder against a Rust critic:

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Swatting-Open-source-developer-...

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/linux-dev-swatte...

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Rust bots will downvote this post, because the humans behind the bots dislike truth that brings their actions to light.

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Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by throwaway27448 on Friday July 10, 2026 @12:44AM (#48855839)
You're ascribing an entire community's reputation to a single person. I can find objectionable people in every community....
Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by hhkksjdj on Friday July 10, 2026 @05:50AM (#48857868)
Remember to kill all pedophiles like you, Hacker News moderators and Rust advocates.
Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by busterarm on Thursday July 09, 2026 @11:33PM (#48855458)
I read the comment that they were referring to and it wasn't even constructive conversation in the thread.

It was basically a complete derail to backdoor in a conversation about why they think everything should be in Rust.

OpenBSD still uses CVS, C and Make because that's what works for them. They will continue to keep using C, Make and CVS but that enables them to be productive with the contributors that they have. Moving things to other languages will not increase their productivity. That's the biggest thing that the largely-fanatical Rust evangelists completely fail to understand.

Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by pstuart on Friday July 10, 2026 @12:10AM (#48855654)
It's easy to hate on LLM slop code but it seems that using it for analysis only could give a C codebase a much stronger security posture. Running fable and friends could give rust-like security with C portability and familiarity.
Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by Klonoar on Friday July 10, 2026 @04:56AM (#48857479)
“A complete derail” is doing some heavy lifting there.

This is a wide ranging discussion board, not the OpenBSD forums. That shit is fair game even if you don’t like it.

(It’s annoying, sure - because dev tribalism is the most played out thing in this industry - but overall the topic can be an interesting discussion point)

Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by busterarm on Friday July 10, 2026 @02:25PM (#48863447)
there's plenty of Rust posts to talk about Rust.

I come to an OpenBSD post to talk about OpenBSD. Rust isn't even really tangentially related.

Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by Klonoar on Sunday July 12, 2026 @05:34PM (#48885047)
Then do it in the litany of comment sub-threads and stop complaining about one that's a Rust tangent.

Welcome to forums, we've been using them for a few decades now.

Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by busterarm on Monday July 13, 2026 @11:39AM (#48894369)
Seek help.
Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by tstack on Thursday July 09, 2026 @11:03PM (#48855270)
> there were still people chiding the project for not using Rust

Please provide a link to this comment.

Someone asked an honest question and got reasonable responses that were informative. At no point did anyone chide the project for not using Rust.

> Rust might be a fine language but it has the most toxic evangelist culture, bar none.

Nah, people complaining about the supposed toxic community are noisier than the supposed toxic community.

Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by juudjjsa on Friday July 10, 2026 @12:06AM (#48855637)
>

Rust proponent organizing social media brigades and making lists of people to target, apparently for harassment:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/6/1292

> Technical patches and discussions matter. Social media brigading - no than\k you.

https://archive.md/rESxe

> Thinking of literally starting a Linux maintainer hall of shame. Not for public consumption, but to help new kernel contributors know what to expect.

> Every experienced kernel submitter has this in their head, maybe it should be finally written down.

> Okay I literally just started this privately and the first 3 names involved are all people named variants on "Christ". Maybe there's a pattern here... religion secretly trying to sabotage the Linux kernel behind the scenes???

> Edit: /s because apparently some people need it.

Steve Klabnik and much of the Rust community vehemently defending and justifying Hector Martin's actions here and elsewhere.

>

Attempted murder against a Rust critic:

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Swatting-Open-source-developer-...

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/linux-dev-swatte...

>

Rust bots will downvote this post, because the humans behind the bots dislike truth that brings their actions to light.

Re:Interview with Mitchell Hashimoto about Ghostty and Zig by legulere on Friday July 10, 2026 @03:41AM (#48856927)
You need to write some unsafe code in a kernel, but most of the code does not have to be, which allows you to eliminate memory unsafety from almost all code and give more scrutiny to the parts the compiler cannot guarantee for you. I don’t know though if the affected code in openbsd would have needed to be unsafe. Moving towards rust is a possible way for kernels as Linux has shown, but I guess for OpenBSD the pros and cons are different, as it’s striving for a more minimal system and has been affected far less by memory unsafety issues.