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Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by epoxia on Sunday June 28, 2026 @11:11AM (#48708031)
What's even more amazing is that they had these safe cities without [Flock, Motorola, Axon]. I guess we will never know how they did it, but at least we get the Chinese surveillance state.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by khuey on Sunday June 28, 2026 @11:22AM (#48708134)
My experience in major East Asian cities (predominantly Tokyo and Taipei) is that they have extensive networks of surveillance cameras operated by or accessible to the police.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by kurthr on Sunday June 28, 2026 @11:43AM (#48708376)
Japanese police are very rarely willing to even ask to look at any of the disorganized hodgepodge of private cameras for property crimes or even minor physical altercations. They are far more likely to rely on personal accounts. TV dramas not withstanding.

Although Tokyo does have a system of traffic cameras which log traffic movement and license plates, that's most all that it does. Except in cases of murder or kidnapping (or political influence), it's quite rare to request the recordings of many private cameras. Outside of big cities, it's even more rare.

The largest connected system of cameras I'm aware of are for the subway camera systems (Shinjuku, Shinagawa, etc). Although independent systems, together they can do facial recognition to track individuals. Not a lot of AI yet, though.

In Tokyo, it is not uncommon to see bikes parked on residential streets with keys left overnight in their wheel locks (as if there aren't even mischievous 12 year olds?!). Oh, and outside of the cities, crime is even more rare. It is common in youth hostels for there to be open cubbies where personal items are stored in the front near the door. Nothing is taken. Most common thefts are: umbrellas (considered a fungible public good?), unlocked bikes (in high traffic business areas), women's underwear (off of outdoor drying racks).

Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by kurthr on Sunday June 28, 2026 @04:33PM (#48711344)
I should mention that the list of thefts (other than an umbrella which I promptly replaced with its neighbor) are not ones that I have personally experienced, nor do I suspect that it is statistically accurate to those reported to police (conbini shoplifting and transit fare skipping must be larger). However, it is accurate to the top 3 "thefts" I've heard Tokyo residents complain about. If a native cares to correct me, I'd retract it.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by dopidopHN2 on Sunday June 28, 2026 @11:30AM (#48708242)
Flock is not the police. Their main customer is Home Depot. Their second one is Lowe's.

Then come the big police department.

Allowing a private company to profit of holding information about me is innerving to me.

I would feel better if it was 100% run by the police. ( better, not good )

Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by abalashov on Sunday June 28, 2026 @11:45AM (#48708393)
And it's not an accident that Flock cameras were implicated in many ICE raids at Home Depot and Lowe's, either.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by naturalmovement on Sunday June 28, 2026 @11:54AM (#48708489)
Was that because of the cameras, or because illegal day laborers have been known to congregate in home center parking lots for 30+ years.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by abalashov on Sunday June 28, 2026 @12:00PM (#48708550)
It was both, of course, but it's not an accident they were placed there at scale.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by naturalmovement on Sunday June 28, 2026 @12:02PM (#48708567)
I disagree, I see them all over the place, it is due to shoplifting.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by abalashov on Sunday June 28, 2026 @12:03PM (#48708581)
It is also due to shoplifting. They wouldn't get deployed if nobody could justify them in any way.

https://prospect.org/2026/05/21/home-depot-lowes-downplay-cu...

Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday June 28, 2026 @12:19PM (#48708748)
My Home Depot, on the north coast, was selling off cases of Jarritos a few months ago. They very much cater to the day laborers.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by abalashov on Monday June 29, 2026 @06:44AM (#48717457)
I hear you, but a little foray into history may convince you that this kind of two-facedness and speaking out of both sides of one's mouth is actually quite common.

This is particularly true when the decisionmakers for the one (ICE cooperation) and the other (selling Jarritos and catering to day labourers more generally), and all the more true if there's revenue attached to doing both.

Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by ethagnawl on Sunday June 28, 2026 @01:29PM (#48709505)
Then surely they're being used to bust the people hiring them, too ... Right?
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by abalashov on Sunday June 28, 2026 @10:57PM (#48714254)
Surely.
Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by nerdsniper on Sunday June 28, 2026 @11:32AM (#48708264)
I can’t remember the last place I visited which didn’t. Maybe Lake Atitlan pre-2020?

Still, a few some areas of Asia achieved this reputation back when cameras were still extremely rare.

Re:Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and the... by khuey on Sunday June 28, 2026 @11:36AM (#48708315)
Yes, there are cultural reasons crime is lower in East Asia too, but I haven't been to a major city there that doesn't have an extensive surveillance system.