Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by za3faran on Wednesday June 24, 2026 @11:25PM
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Loaning money as per Islamic Law is a charitable act, not one of exploitation.
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Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by UltraSane on Wednesday June 24, 2026 @11:45PM
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reasonable interest rates aren't exploitation. Business Loans serve a critical role in economic activity by putting free cash to more productive use.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by za3faran on Thursday June 25, 2026 @01:35PM
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All interest is usury in Islamic Law (and the laws before it such as Christianity and Judaism). There are ways to to put free cash into productive use without exploitation.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by UltraSane on Thursday June 25, 2026 @04:48PM
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I understand and I disagree. Interest isn't always "exploitation". A 5% loan isn't exploitation and it is very stupid to ban such things.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by za3faran on Thursday June 25, 2026 @09:05PM
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I think it's easy to look around us to see why it makes complete sense to prohibit it.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by UltraSane on Friday June 26, 2026 @12:33AM
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If going by the very poor economic performance of Muslim countries I would say interest is a very good thing if limited to reasonable interest rates and fair bankruptcy laws.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by za3faran on Friday June 26, 2026 @08:50PM
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Correlation vs causation (post WWI colonization comes to mind, that continues to this day). Historically, there was a period of time when there were no poor people left to take Zakat, everyone paid their share, and no usurious transactions permitted.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by UltraSane on Monday June 29, 2026 @11:52AM
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Historically, there was a period of time when there were no poor people left to take Zakat, everyone paid their share, and no usurious transactions permitted.
When was this?
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by za3faran on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @12:53AM
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During the time of Umar bin Abdul-Aziz.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by n4r9 on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @08:46AM
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This is worth treating carefully. There are sources like Ibn Kathir and al-Tabari writing centuries later which claimed that Zakat collectors would return with unspent funds because eligible recipients could not be found. Even if we take this at face value, that's a leap from there being no poor people left. Did it apply to the entire empire or only a few regions? How likely was the collector to actually find recipients if they existed in a given region? etc...
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by za3faran on Sunday July 12, 2026 @07:52PM
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Point is to refute the claim the current situation in some Muslim countries is caused by Islam, instead of it being a direct consequence of colonialism.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models
by avadodin on Thursday June 25, 2026 @05:14AM
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Nice to get a callback to previously acquired knowledge with what I assume is an arabizi
(sp?) handle.
Islamic trade is certainly one of the best models out there but I think in many cases in practice it is still applied subversively.
It is not enough to ban mechanisms like usury, designed and intended to exploit.
One has to go after the very subversion of legitimate practices for illegitimate goals.