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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by tartoran on Sunday June 21, 2026 @09:23AM (#48618766)
You risk being silenly flagged and get nerfed responses. Somehting like shadow dumbed down.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by gentooflux on Sunday June 21, 2026 @09:40AM (#48618896)
That is an inherent and unavoidable risk regardless, as things stand if you want access to frontier models you are at the mercy of their providers.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by stingraycharles on Sunday June 21, 2026 @09:26AM (#48618791)
That’s quite a claim. What’s your source for this?
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by 0123456789ABCDE on Sunday June 21, 2026 @09:41AM (#48618907)
Fable's model card provides the following as a relevant reference

https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026

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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by handoflixue on Sunday June 21, 2026 @11:20AM (#48619708)
They already reversed course on that decision a couple of days later. Trivial to find a source, but Fable is also rather notably not available to the public right now, so it's not actually a relevant threat.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by 0123456789ABCDE on Sunday June 21, 2026 @11:48AM (#48619919)
excuse me but, is this trivial source you're referring to the url included in the post you're responding to, or did they reverse back to the original intent of keeping refusals quiet?
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by stingraycharles on Sunday June 21, 2026 @09:47AM (#48618962)
That’s totally unrelated. The post I was replying to claimed that if you create a new account with OpenAI and that gets detected, your whole account gets silently “nerfed”.

That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics.

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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by 0123456789ABCDE on Sunday June 21, 2026 @12:08PM (#48620096)
> That’s totally unrelated.

i disagree, but it seems clear, from how you put it, that there's no point explaining the why

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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by mlyle on Sunday June 21, 2026 @02:16PM (#48621202)
> That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics.

We're talking about it being invisibly moved to a weaker model if it looks like you're distilling (which is best detected through something that is at least partially a reputational / account metric).

Now, Anthropic stepped away from this, but it highlights one more kind of systemic risk you're exposed to when you're not running the model yourself.

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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by preg_match on Sunday June 21, 2026 @03:30PM (#48621841)
It demonstrates that:

1. Anthropic certainly has the ability.

2. They’re willing to use it silently.

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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by anamexis on Sunday June 21, 2026 @04:29PM (#48622321)
And this thread is about OpenAI.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by shevy-java on Sunday June 21, 2026 @09:31AM (#48618833)
So ... like reddit! :)

Thankfully I don't depend on any of such services. It would make me rather angry.

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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by qingcharles on Sunday June 21, 2026 @10:16AM (#48619192)
Reddit is the only platform that actually tells you that you are shadowbanned, so at least they are upfront about it, but their appeal system sucks. My friend just appealed every day for just over 600 days and finally got their account un-shadowbanned.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by inigyou on Sunday June 21, 2026 @10:31AM (#48619301)
Reddit doesn't tell you you're shadowbanned. You are thinking of regular banned.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by qingcharles on Sunday June 21, 2026 @01:50PM (#48620969)
No, they have fully banned and shadowbanned. If you are shadowbanned you can login and check the appeals page but your posts and comments will no longer be visible. If you are fully banned you cannot log in.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by mafuy on Sunday June 21, 2026 @03:15PM (#48621730)
That is called "muted". It is not a shadowban, by definition.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by inigyou on Sunday June 21, 2026 @05:08PM (#48622611)
It doesn't say that your posts and comments are invisible - they just are.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by handoflixue on Sunday June 21, 2026 @11:21AM (#48619722)
"It only took two years for my friend to appeal a Ban"

If you're willing to wait a couple years, I dare say a few services might have changed their minds by then, so it's too early to judge.

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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by qingcharles on Sunday June 21, 2026 @01:51PM (#48620974)
Most of them don't even have a reasonable appeals process at all :(
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by eli on Sunday June 21, 2026 @02:03PM (#48621062)
Isn’t that definitionally impossible? If they tell you about it then it’s not a shadow ban.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by qingcharles on Sunday June 21, 2026 @02:30PM (#48621341)
I guess it depends on the definition of shadow ban.

In Reddit's case it means you can continue to post and comment, it's just that your posts and comments are no longer seen by others.

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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by inigyou on Sunday June 21, 2026 @05:07PM (#48622607)
Reddit doesn't tell you about that.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by ipaddr on Sunday June 21, 2026 @03:12PM (#48621705)
No they don't and if they do tell you that means you have been banned.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by inigyou on Sunday June 21, 2026 @09:59AM (#48619059)
HN also has shadowbans. If your preferences have showdead=yes, you might see some.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by eimrine on Sunday June 21, 2026 @02:56PM (#48621558)
That's a decent moderation, shadowban is a totally different thing. AFAIK, your karma is enough to vouch that Flagged topics or comments and return that piece into a regular displaying.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by inigyou on Sunday June 21, 2026 @05:07PM (#48622606)
There's no difference between shadowban and moderation, shadowban is a moderation tool.
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Re:Anthropic to Require ID Verification for Certain Capabili... by eimrine on Monday June 22, 2026 @01:38AM (#48626143)
Shadowban and community-driven moderation are different poles. Former is a tool of shallow narcisses, latter is the best moderation strategy possible in the clearnet. Come on, commenter.
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