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Re:Leaving Mozilla by ekianjo on Saturday June 13, 2026 @06:19AM (#48515623)
UI? Its a protocol.
Re:Leaving Mozilla by setopt on Saturday June 13, 2026 @06:24AM (#48515666)
They probably meant UX, which is arguably similar between implementations.
Re:Leaving Mozilla by 47282847 on Saturday June 13, 2026 @06:56AM (#48515907)
Like “the UX of HTTP is horrible”? Still doesn’t make any sense.

Discord could well run on top of IRC the protocol and be open to federation without any change of UX.

Re:Leaving Mozilla by oriolid on Saturday June 13, 2026 @07:56AM (#48516396)
Netsplits, missed messages and bot wars over channel and nick ownership were an integral part of IRC UX, and they were direct consequences the IRC protocol. If Discord was run on top of IRC protocol, it would have the same. Discord would probably be its own network and the people who prefer IRCnet, EFnet or QuakeNet would never touch it.
Re:Leaving Mozilla by progval on Saturday June 13, 2026 @08:41AM (#48516717)
> Netsplits

It's not inherent to the protocol. https://ergo.chat/ does not have netsplits (from having a single server) and https://github.com/Libera-Chat/sable replaces the server-to-server protocol to eliminate netsplits as well.

And even when not eliminated entirely, they are infrequent and barely visible on well-managed networks like Libera.Chat. Many chat platforms have more (and longer) outages than Libera has netsplits.

> missed messages

Solved by most server implementations using https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory

> bot wars over channel and nick ownership

Solved decades ago thanks to NickServ and ChanServ (though I'll admit they are ad-hoc additions on top of the protocol). And ~15 years ago we got native support for authentication (https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/sasl-3.1)

Re:Leaving Mozilla by oriolid on Saturday June 13, 2026 @09:36AM (#48517224)
So... Usually it's claimed that one of the advantages of IRC is that it doesn't depend on a single server, so using a single server feels a bit like cheating. Replacing the server-to-server protocol sounds a lot like it's not really IRC protocol any more. The chathistory link says "This specification may change at any time and we do not recommend implementing it in a production environment." right on top. And yes, NickServ and ChanServ exist on some networks and IIRC they were one of the major points in debates over which network is the best and which ones to not touch with a ten feet pole. A hypothetical IRC-based Discord-like service could have it.
Re:Leaving Mozilla by progval on Sunday June 14, 2026 @08:56AM (#48526786)
> Replacing the server-to-server protocol sounds a lot like it's not really IRC protocol any more

There hasn't been a standard server-to-server protocol in like three decades. Even RFC 2813 only specifies one of the protocols in use at the time (IRCnet's). Each implementation has its own (some of them forked from the original)

> The chathistory link says "This specification may change at any time and we do not recommend implementing it in a production environment."

True. Ratification of the final spec is stuck on some details, unfortunately.

Re:Leaving Mozilla by FireBeyond on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:55AM (#48518469)
I mean the word "Relay" in Internet Relay Chat was meant to refer to relaying between servers. Larger networks even had some hub servers that didn't allow users to connect at all, and existed to be server interchanges.

IRCv3 missed the boat by years. By 2016, when the working group was formed, IRC was already well past its glory years. Even then, it took til the 2020s before any major network fully adopted it. Because - and I say this as a nerd who held an O line on two of those major networks at one point in my life - a bunch of nerds got hung up on arguing about implementation specs rather than looking at features and functionality organically. Ironically, in the quest to avoid becoming a closed Discord/Slack/what-have-you ecosystem product, they needed a product manager to remind them that what they needed to build in that working group was an evolution to IRCv2, not endless arguments over the format of configuration files for server daemons, for but one example.

> And ~15 years ago we got native support for authentication (https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/sasl-3.1)

The IRCv3 WG was convened near the end of 2016, so 9 or so.

Re:Leaving Mozilla by 47282847 on Saturday June 13, 2026 @12:48PM (#48518996)
> IRCv3 missed the boat by years

Because people invested/wasted their energy into building proprietary silos instead.

Re:Leaving Mozilla by oriolid on Saturday June 13, 2026 @05:57PM (#48521896)
Like Matrix (the one at https://matrix.org)?
Re:Leaving Mozilla by 47282847 on Saturday June 13, 2026 @07:55PM (#48522703)
The Working Group on IRCv3 started in 2011. Matrix in 2015.
Re:Leaving Mozilla by oriolid on Sunday June 14, 2026 @03:56AM (#48525148)
Does it make Matrix "proprietary" or "silo"? Did the IRCv3 WG have any results in 2015?
Re:Leaving Mozilla by progval on Sunday June 14, 2026 @08:59AM (#48526815)
> The IRCv3 WG was convened near the end of 2016, so 9 or so.

SASL support in IRC predates IRCv3.

Re:Leaving Mozilla by luke5441 on Saturday June 13, 2026 @07:03AM (#48515972)
IRC doesn't have offline messages and standardized user accounts.

Just looked it up and there is IRCv3 to fix this, but idk what the state of that is.

Re:Leaving Mozilla by FireBeyond on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:59AM (#48518512)
"... not great".

IRCv3 was already late to the party and when I saw that the Working Group's mailing list was composed of lots of debates on formats for server daemon configuration files, it was clear many couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Re:Leaving Mozilla by coldtea on Saturday June 13, 2026 @07:51AM (#48516337)
>Like “the UX of HTTP is horrible”? Still doesn’t make any sense

Sure it does, when all browsers have more or less the same, and the context makes clear we're not talking about the mere programmatic consumption of HTTP (like through some REST api).

"But it's a protocol and not a client" is pedantically irrelevant, given that the clients for that protocol all follow the same conventions. The parent already said they meant the UX of it "which is arguably similar between implementations".

Besides, protocols impose some concepts and models of interaction and consumption, which informs any UX created on top of them. So it's not like that client sameness is merely accidental and unrelated to the protocol either.

Re:Leaving Mozilla by ciroduran on Saturday June 13, 2026 @07:08AM (#48516006)
It hasn't been the same since Comic Chat was discontinued
Re:Leaving Mozilla by joeypickles on Saturday June 13, 2026 @07:44AM (#48516284)
I wish there was an article on the oral history of comic chat.
Re:Leaving Mozilla by code_biologist on Saturday June 13, 2026 @07:03AM (#48515965)
What? I just want to share cat pics, video clips, and memes with my friends and respond to their stuff with not-inline emojis.