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Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by Kylekramer on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @09:11AM (#4842574)
I suppose it is a testament to Corning's marketing that they are held in such high regard, but doesn't the Nexus 4 have the new Gorilla glass? Wired claimed it did: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/nexus-hands-on-with-g...
Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by prawks on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @09:24AM (#4842643)
It does, on the front and back [1].

I took a set of keys, a fork and a pocket knife to the front and back glass panels of the Nexus 4 and couldn't get a scratch to show up anywhere. I also slipped and dropped the phone while pulling it out of my pocket this week, and it showed no signs of my fumble.

Until I see a video, I'm not really convinced, tbh. If he has a granite counter-top, and didn't set it down as gently as the author claims, it's completely probable that it cracked. People are incredibly clumsy with phones. Glass doesn't exactly have a high thermal conductivity (nor does granite/linoleum/plastic), I find it difficult to believe the glass would expand/contract enough from body heat/kitchen counter-tops.

[1] http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/11/google-nexus-4/

Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by smacktoward on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @10:05AM (#4842833)
People are incredibly clumsy with phones.

Which seems like a pretty good argument for not wrapping them in glass.

Too often in technology we build things that are fragile, and then blame the user when she breaks them. Tools should be designed to work with the user as they are, rather than as we would wish them to be.

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Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by kragen on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @09:54AM (#4842776)
Your comment is wrong from beginning to end.

Normal window glass is Mohs hardness 5.5 or so, as is unhardened steel (your fork and pocketknife); hardened steel (e.g. a metal file) is more like 6.5. That means you can scratch regular steel with glass and vice versa, with some difficulty. (Try it. I just did.) Brass (your key) is around 3 or 4, so it won't scratch glass.

There are lots of things with Mohs hardness above 5.5, including most common metals (except brass, aluminum, copper) and most rocks.

Sand is almost never made up of glass particles. It's often made up of crystalline quartz (Mohs hardness 7) which can scratch regular glass easily. Gorilla Glass has Mohs hardness of about 9, so quartz won't scratch it.

Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by Osmium on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @12:07PM (#4843546)
Notable, then, is the fact that Apple felt the need to make their lens covers out of sapphire (Mohs hardness of 9). If they were using Gorilla glass on the back, and it has the hardness you claim, then surely that isn't necessary?
Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by kragen on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @03:01PM (#4844362)
I have no idea if Apple was using Gorilla Glass on the back, nor did I know whether GG is harder or softer than sapphire. I'd assume softer, since it's just a glass, right?

http://www.corning.com/docs/specialtymaterials/pisheets/PI23... gives its Vickers hardness as 701 kgf/mm^2, which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness#... would seem to place in the 5-6.5 range of the Mohs scale, nowhere close to 9. However, Vickers is a scale of resistance to plastic deformation, while Mohs is a (highly nonlinear!) scale of resistance to abrasion, so perhaps take that with a gram of potassium chloride.

Other random places suggest sapphire's Vickers hardness is around 1800-2200 kgf/mm^2, which is substantially harder than the number Corning's brochure gives for Gorilla Glass.

Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by ktsmith on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @12:28PM (#4843635)
Optical sapphire has different properties than gorilla glass. There can be reasons other than hardness for using a material as a lens cover.
Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by Osmium on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @12:40PM (#4843700)
Agreed; but Apple did state specifically that they were using it because it was more durable. In regards to optical properties, some people are speculating the sapphire is the cause of the iPhone 5's worse susceptibility to lens flare.
Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by bryanlarsen on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @10:24AM (#4842933)
Deleted. Thanks for making your comment standalone so nobody else has to waste their time reading mine.
Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by kragen on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @04:33PM (#4844884)
I'm glad it is helpful!
Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by Osmium on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @09:16AM (#4842596)
It's not unlikely that they only went with Gorilla glass for the screen-side of the device to cut costs, though I know the article says otherwise, so maybe not. They could've also mounted it in a way other than what was designed (i.e. put it under tensile stress).

As for Corning, in fairness to them they were instrumental in the development of this type of glass and own a fair few patents, so it's not just marketing. They developed it originally in the 60s, though I imagine a lot has changed since then.

Re:Nexus 4′s Glass Back, the Worst Idea Since the Last Phone... by yen223 on Wednesday November 28, 2012 @10:20AM (#4842915)
Scratch resistance and toughness are orthogonal to each other. Even diamonds will crack when applied with a certain force.

From what I understand, Gorilla Glass is only scratch-proof, not tough.