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Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by thefz on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @03:31AM (#48367137)
Once again American capitalism ruins everything for everyone.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by HerbManic on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @05:08PM (#48376316)
Yeah but $1.50 Costco hot dogs! I got nothing more on that.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by drnick1 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @05:16PM (#48376429)
Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the Internet, smartphones, AI, electric cars and countless other things. That, and the Costco hot dogs mentioned in another reply.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @06:59PM (#48377428)
"Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the internet, ..."

In fact, the internet was born out of the American military, i.e., government, and American universities, not "American capitalism"

The first time I used this internet, there were rules against using it for commerce

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by matchbok3 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @09:03PM (#48378390)
The American military would not exist without the economic freedoms we have.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by acdha on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @09:12PM (#48378473)
Dude, we get it, you’re a super fan but these are some intellectually lazy comments. Our military is powerful, yes, but if you want to make some exceptional claims you need to show your homework demonstrating that kind of claimed huge leap over other economies (China, Russia, Germany, etc.). Be sure to explain how Iran is doing so well for so much less.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by matchbok3 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @09:49PM (#48378830)
Um, where did I mention China or Russia?

Intellectually lazy? What are you even talking about? Stay on topic, you are embarrassing yourself.

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by dosisking on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @01:25AM (#48380233)
We don't have any of these so-called 'econonic freedoms'. Anybody can be de-banked at any time.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @11:58AM (#48385811)
These "economic freedoms", specifically the actions of so-called "tech" companies with respect to the internet, are the cause of "age verfification" legislation

The original internet had rules against using it for commercial activity

It lacked "economic freedoms"

FWIW I still found it worth using at the time, despite no so-called "tech" companies

It also lacked websites of unmanageable size with hundreds of millions of pages of user-generated content used as bait to lure in ad targets for data collection and surveillance, so-called "platforms" or "social media"

It lacked "age verification" to access those websites because those websites did not exist

There will be at least one HN reply arguing that the original internet sucked, or some other brainless dismissal

As if the internet we have now does not suck. Clearly, it does suck for some people

It is not a lack of "economic freedoms" on the internet that has led to "age verification". It's quite the opposite

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @09:55PM (#48378888)
There was no advertising on the internet, originally

This was before the www

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by skywalqer on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @11:01AM (#48385046)
But the widespread adoption and cheap client devices are a product of the market economy.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by gunsle on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @12:43PM (#48386368)
American capitalism and the American government and its policies are intertwined. You are arguing literally nothing.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @04:37PM (#48389661)
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Thursday June 04, 2026 @06:55PM (#48405790)
Was 0
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by loopback_device on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @05:39PM (#48376704)
Except that the www came out of Switzerland, the first electric vehicles out of Scotland and Germany, the earliest descriptions of neural networks - also Scotland, and countless other things, like Rockets and whatnot, also out of Europe. But, sure, congrats on that ARPANet thing.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by bluebarbet on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @07:47PM (#48377798)
Final sentence was unnecessary.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by matchbok3 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @09:03PM (#48378393)
Can you point to the stock markets and silicon valley, and tech leaders and military of those countries?

Oh, wait...

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by pocksuppet on Thursday June 04, 2026 @08:49AM (#48397931)
Those are bad things to have.
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Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by tardedmeme on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @07:17AM (#48382486)
Thank god we have "American ingenuity" to enshittify new inventions. Where would we be without that?
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @01:02AM (#48380106)
"The global Internets progenitor was the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) financed and encouraged by the U.S. Department of Defense.

In order to understand the wonder that the Internet and various other components of the Net represent, we need to understand why the ARPANET Completion Report ends with the suggestion that the ARPANET is fundamentally connected to and born of computer science rather than of the military.

The Completion Report goes on to differentiate the research ARPA supported from the research done by the computer industry: The computer industry, in the main, still thinks of the computer as an arithmetic engine. Their heritage is reflected even in current designs of their communication systems. They have an economic and psychological commitment to the arithmetic engine model, and it can die only slowly.12 The Completion Report further analyzes this problem by tracing it back to the nations universities: furthermore, it is a view that is still reinforced by most of the nations computer science programs. Even universities, or at least parts of them, are held in the grasp of the arithmetic engine concept.13

Computer networking was developed and spread widely in an environment outside of commercial and profit considerations, an environment that supported such research."

   Michael Hauben
   Netizens: On the History and Impact of Usenet and the Internet (1997) 
   IEEE Computer Society Press
   ISBN 0-8186-7706-6
https://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/book-pdf/CHAPTER 7.pdf

HN commenters/voters may reject the use of the term "military" in the origin story of the internet

That's fine

However it was American taxpayers, through the _Department of Defense_, that financed the creation of the internet

That's government spending, not "American capitalism"

The original internet was non-commercial and was not the result of "American capitalism"

As above, the American computer industry (capitalism) at the time was not focused on computer networking and using computers for communication, it was focused on computers as "arithmetic engines"

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by MattDamonSpace on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @01:52AM (#48380415)
The only reason the US Gov had the expertise and resources to fund DARPA in the first place was because it was a massive capitalist country with enormous wealth
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by thefz on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @01:55AM (#48380438)
Which is very well known for collecting taxes, right? :D
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by tardedmeme on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @07:15AM (#48382471)
Did the USSR have a space program?
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by MattDamonSpace on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @11:04AM (#48385094)
Yeah but like didn’t it bankrupt them?

Meanwhile the USA barely blinked at the Space Race spending

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by thefz on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @01:47AM (#48380381)
And the WWW is a Swiss invention.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by graemep on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @05:05AM (#48381635)
British or European. Inventor was British, working for a European organisation.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by gunsle on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @12:41PM (#48386349)
To act like no private citizens or businesses contributed to the internet because it came out of DARPA is ignorant at best. DARPA literally pays private entities to do research for them to this day. It’s their primary mechanism for action. So confidently ignorant.

Take your Reddit tier America bad slop back to Reddit.

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @02:52PM (#48388151)
This is not an argument against American capitalism. It is a correction of the false assertion that "without American capitalism there would be no internet"

American capitalism can create ARPA but capitalism did not create the internet

Neither American companies, nor "private citizens" looking to profit, paid for the research into computer networking that resulted in the internet. At that time, there was no commerercial incentive to support such research

"Computer networking was developed and spread widely in an environment _outside_ of commercial and profit considerations, an environment that supported such research."

Hauben, Netizens: On the History and Impact of Usenet and the Internet (1997)

Without American capitalism, specifically "Big Tech", there would be no "age verification" legislation

Let's cut to the chase. The "age verfication" problem has nothing to do with "American capitalism" or other silly HN tangents. The issue is the lack of rules governing governing data collection, surveillance and advertising, rules that would interfere with the Big Tech "business model". "Age verification" will be another means of data collection for Big Tech but it could also intefere with Big Tech's access to U16 ad targets. It could interere with "indoctrination" into a belief system where Big Tech _is_ the internet

The truth is that the internet does not require "Big Tech" in order to exist and have value. I know this because I used it before so-called "tech" companies existed and, with respect to the state of the art _at that time_, it was amazing. Information was shared between internet users without any attempt to profit from it financially. Today, so-called "tech" companies intermediate (act as a middleman for) the sharing of other peoples' information over the internet in order to profit from data collection, surveillance and advertising. This is unnecessary

The myth that commenters supporting Silicon Valley try to spread is that the internet can only exist and have value if "Big Tech" exists. Their "business model" is "free" intermediation of information retrieval or communication over the internet, thus their argument in favor of status quo becomes something like "online advertising (and associated data collection and surveillance) is essential for the internet to survive"

Their next argument may be that a "healthy AI ecosystem" is necessary for the internet to survive

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @07:16PM (#48391422)
*commercial
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @08:18PM (#48392011)
*interfere
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @02:53PM (#48388183)
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by thefz on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @01:54AM (#48380430)
Smartphones and AI are tady's cancer, so good job America! Polluting the earth and its inhabitants once more. For electric cars, I have my doubts that without China we will have them, but I'll leave you simmer in your exceptionalism.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by timbit42 on Thursday June 04, 2026 @12:31PM (#48401015)
The world would still have them but perhaps not as quickly is the only difference.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by altmanaltman on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @05:33PM (#48376629)
The irony of writing this on this particular board, out of all places.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by zrn900 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @05:38PM (#48376698)
Not only that. The Eu is also implementing 'age verification', at the same time with - surprise - digital id.

It's just an attempt to reverse the free internet and implement total surveillance.

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by NewsaHackO on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @08:48PM (#48378255)
Yeah, I feel as though people have seen the error of creating a free internet and are trying as much as possible to reverse it. It's kind of like how Photoshop (and most software companies honestly) have seen how selling a license in perpetuity does not work and opt for the rent-seeking monthly subscription route.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by jijijijij on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @04:37AM (#48381447)
The age verification with the EU ID card can be implemented without leaking any identifying information. If it's gonna be like that is questionable, but it's technically possible.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by tardedmeme on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @07:14AM (#48382460)
For $5 I'll give you an age token from my card.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by zrn900 on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:36AM (#48423918)
> without leaking any identifying information

Do you really believe that the governments and the Eu machinery won't use that information for other purposes...

https://bianet.org/haber/eu-strips-journalist-huseyin-dogru-...

Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by jijijijij on Sunday June 07, 2026 @06:30AM (#48433492)
It's not about what I believe or not, it's about technical capabilities of the ID card.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by zrn900 on Friday June 12, 2026 @12:51PM (#48506458)
Technical capabilities of the card or anything else are immaterial compared to who can access and control the data.
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by jijijijij on Friday June 12, 2026 @05:23PM (#48509587)
Except when the technical capabilities prevent access??? Are you a troll?
Re:Age verification for social media, the beginning of the e... by matchbok3 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @09:05PM (#48378411)
Except for being the greatest single force for innovation and growth in the world?