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Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by lawn on Monday June 01, 2026 @01:20PM (#48359818)
You can have two thoughts at the same time.

It's good that Iran is teaching USA and Israel a lesson, while Iran (also) being bad guys.

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by hasperdi on Monday June 01, 2026 @05:41PM (#48363050)
Unfortunately they'll learn nothing. The rest of the world however... have to endure the consequences
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by Sabinus on Monday June 01, 2026 @07:01PM (#48363729)
They will learn. If the Strait remains closed for two months it's a recession. The mid-terms will be a bloodbath.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 01, 2026 @08:03PM (#48364168)
> If the Strait remains closed for two months it's a recession

Who is forecasting this?

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by toomuchtodo on Monday June 01, 2026 @08:35PM (#48364374)
https://www.woodmac.com/press-releases/strait-of-hormuz-clos...

If Wood Mackenzie is not your cup of tea, lots of other resources with a search of “recession strait of Hormuz” keywords. The only reason we’re not in a global recession yet was because China paused oil imports, due to their >1B barrel strategic reserves.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Chinas-Oil-Buying-Paus...

https://www.kpler.com/blog/why-the-real-oil-shock-may-only-b...

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 01, 2026 @08:38PM (#48364395)
That forecasts a global recession if "the Strait remains largely closed through the end of 2026."

Even under that scenario, which would emerge after the Strait had been closed for over ten months, the forecaster only sees "US GDP growth" falling "below 1%," i.e. not a recession. (I'm ignoring the fact that the Strait has already been closed for more than 2 months.)

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by toomuchtodo on Monday June 01, 2026 @10:55PM (#48365430)
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Persian-Gulf-Oil-...

> Oil and gas traffic via the Strait of Hormuz may never go back to pre-war levels if Iran cements its hold over the chokepoint. The warnings come from several unrelated sources as the war continues to drag on, with some recovery in traffic but nowhere near pre-February 28 levels. Meanwhile, Big Oil is warning that the looming supply shortage is about to hit global markets in weeks.

> “No matter what happens, the Iranians will control the Strait of Hormuz for the foreseeable future,” Amos Hochstein, senior national security and energy advisor to President Biden, told CNBC last week. “It doesn’t even matter what the deal says. Everybody in the region believes that.”

> While the negotiations drag on, expectations that Iran will remain in de facto charge of the Strait of Hormuz appear to be strengthening. “Any end to the conflict that leaves Iran exercising operational control and influence over the Strait will result in appreciably lower flows through the waterway in our view,” RBC Capital Markets’ Helima Croft said in a recent note, as quoted by CNBC.

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 01, 2026 @10:57PM (#48365447)
None of this suggests recession for America. We're an energy and defence exporter. That broadly offsets the effects of higher energy prices.

Whether or not America winds up in a recession is going to be entirely a function of AI. That is what the economy is levered on.

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by toomuchtodo on Monday June 01, 2026 @11:02PM (#48365472)
I agree the US goes full recession as soon as the confidence falls out from under the AI bubble and all of this investment leading to GDP growth ends, but I also don’t believe the US economy (even assuming reduced GDP to energy correlation over the last two decades) can sustain growth and will lead to contraction with oil prices at or above the $150-$200/barrel price band if persistent. The below prediction predicts a near term (July) recession call at less than $100/barrel.

https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/articles/high-oil-prices-c...

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-recession-warning-job-mar...

https://www.aei.org/articles/the-shrinking-economic-weight-o...

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by amanaplanacanal on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @07:51AM (#48369012)
Being an energy exporter is good for oil companies, but how does it help consumers? Prices are still going up. Interest rates are still going up.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by Sabinus on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @01:40AM (#48366488)
Mark Zandi from Moody's Analytics

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/iran-oil-shock-mark-zandi-aro...

"Based on the simulations of our global macroeconomic model, oil prices would only need to average close to $125 per barrel in the second quarter of this year for a recession to ensue soon thereafter, all else equal. And it is not difficult to envisage oil prices increasing to $125 per barrel. It only requires that the conflict and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz last a few weeks longer, say through July 4, or even much sooner, if the combatants increasingly target the region's energy-producing infrastructure."

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by pjmlp on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @04:34AM (#48367530)
Yes, and it won't change anything sadly, most autocratic governments also hold elections.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by adjejmxbdjdn on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @06:52AM (#48368512)
So we’re clear, this is a technical recession.

In the real world, the American resident is suffering deeply.

The fact that things are so bad for the average American when the economy is growing (thanks largely to healthcare and AI investment), makes me shudder at what may happen if those tailwinds slow down, or the existing headwinds (like the impact of the war) strengthen.

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by tibbydudeza on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @11:52AM (#48371868)
No worries AI spend and Klarna will make it all go away ;).
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by tstrimple on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @01:55PM (#48373703)
If the US population were capable of learning, Republicans wouldn't be elected. Alas, that's not the world we live in. Republican administrations are worse by basically every recordable metric. From job creation to deficit reduction to foreign policy. Every 4-8 years the Democratic party has to be the only adults in the room and clean up the shit Republicans create. Only for it to be turned around and handed back to the shit spreaders.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by kelvinjps10 on Monday June 01, 2026 @07:10PM (#48363794)
The point is that all the civilians dying for nothing.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by fugaziboutit on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @05:11AM (#48367767)
When elephants fight, it's the grass that suffers.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by zombot on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @06:56AM (#48368539)
It has been known for about a hundred years that war is a racket.

https://prisonfreepress.org/docs/War_is_a_Racket_(S_Butler_1...