It's actually not bad. The rhetoric has had an effect over the years.

https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-r...

It's actually not bad? "The most repairable MacBook in years" means practically nothing. And for someone who might be comparing with a Framework, it's probably an insult.

You're preaching to the choir, brother. But reread the comment I replied to. "Use as-is until e-waste" the Neo is not.

> "Use as-is until e-waste" the Neo is not

That's a very low bar to clear

You are to be congratulated on the sheer looming height of your standards. The angels cry out to you from the heavens. Sheesh.

> You are to be congratulated on the sheer looming height of your standards. The angels cry out to you from the heavens. Sheesh. - akkartik

Snarky ad-hominem comments are forbidden in HN, FYI.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: thanks for toning it down. I will as well.

From the comment up above:

> I would imagine the Mac Neo is a sealed unit that you use as-is until it's e-waste.

So the "bar" is irrelevant to this conversation.

Yes, which makes the comment claiming the neo doesn't clear it all the more egregious.

I have been rocking _smaller_ tablet PCs with better reparability score than the Neo in iFixit since practically the 2010s. My current one is a 10/10 from HP. This to say nothing about upgradability.

The Neo doesn't clear the bar. It just barely improves over recent macbooks, which is next to nothing. Specially to someone comparing to the Framework!

What would mean something to you captain?

EU regulations have had an effect.

It's still a 6 on the scale, and parts pairing, third party restrictions are still in place.

For reference, the latest Thinkpad T series is 10/10, so a better build is clearly possible.

It is actually bad. Not as bad as previous models, but still bad.

That may be true, but a MacBook is still better value for your money than any of the new Thinkpads, performance and build-quality wise.

What's your universal "value for money" index that should apply to everyone ?

For instance why should a touch support or better port selection be less valuable to me than let's say battery life ? Does supporting multiple OSes have a defined value to money ratio that I'm not aware of ?

Well, thats why I specifically mentioned “performance and build-quality wise”. If you want to run Linux, then it’s obviously not a viable option.

It's still the same kind of argument. What you mean by "build quality" is probably mainly the unibody frame ? Why not include repairability as litteral build quality ? and what about weight or shock absorption?

Same way "performance" can't be a fixed set of measures for everyone. I care about GPU speed in VR games and macs doen't give me much of it.

My point is we can't throw around "X is better performance wise" with no context, it makes no sense on its own.

Not for European prices, using Thinkpads since 2006, and yes I do have access to Apple hardware at work.

I watched some of their (iFixIt) recent videos about Framework laptops, Mac Neo, and Lenovo laptops. What I love about them: They are not haters. They just want companies to get meaningfully and incrementally better at repair. 10/10 rating does not mean perfection -- it means "great" (very repairable). In a modern world of so much unnecessary manufactured drama on social media (including YouTube), it is nice to see a high quality company batting away the opportunity for unnecessary manufactured! The most recent Lenovo laptops have a bunch of minor complaints -- still they got 10/10.

You will be able to drop an old Neo off at an Apple store and they'll recycle it. Same as with most of their other products.

Most countries don't have them, with luck official resellers.

You won't be able to upgrade it, but it is at least moderately repairable.