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Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by stego-tech on Saturday May 23, 2026 @09:36AM (#48247562)
I'm right there with you, and it's why I go to great pains to articulate the entirety of my position on immigration when I get into these sorts of debates. The simpler someone's position on immigration is, the less they understand it at length or the more extremist their viewpoints tend to be.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by zulux on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:41AM (#48248603)
It's wickedly complicated, isn't it? I'm distressed by anybody who doesn't change their position from time to time.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by slg on Saturday May 23, 2026 @02:59PM (#48250286)
It's not that complicated, my immigration policy is "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by amanaplanacanal on Saturday May 23, 2026 @05:34PM (#48251776)
Mine comes to the same conclusion via a different route. I don't want my government telling me where I can or cannot travel to or decide to live, and I want all other governments to do the same.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by neverbehind on Saturday May 23, 2026 @06:30PM (#48252226)
How many tired or poor huddled masses are breathing free in your home, oh gracious one?

Care to share what other policies of yours you happen to offshore to 19th century ethnic activists?

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by slg on Saturday May 23, 2026 @07:26PM (#48252628)
That "19th century ethnic activist" was born in the US after her family emigrated here more than a century prior fleeing the Inquisition. Her activism was aiding refugees entering New York as they fled the pogroms of Eastern Europe. My ancestors entered this country in the 19th century though that "golden door" as "poor huddled masses" fleeing those same pogroms. I admire that "ethnic activist" not locking the door behind her just because her ancestors happened to make the journey in a prior generation and therefore I echo that mindset. For me, being anti-immigration would be like spitting on all their graves.

This country was built on the backs of immigrants and slaves which instills in me the belief that even more central than freedom, there is no ideal more core to the United States as a nation than immigration.

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by neverbehind on Saturday May 23, 2026 @08:40PM (#48253116)
Right, so don't answer any of the questions and just get on your soapbox about how persecuted your special interest group is. What a shocker the rest of the country is growing tired of your antics.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by slg on Saturday May 23, 2026 @09:17PM (#48253358)
You blow an impressive dog whistle.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by happytoexplain on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:03AM (#48254545)
This isn't substantive.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by array_key_first on Sunday May 24, 2026 @12:28AM (#48254372)
The rest of the country is also made of immigrants, if not their generation than one past. That includes white people, and that includes me, a white man.

Know your place as an American. This has always been a country made up of immigrants, a melting pot. To suggest otherwise is anti-American. Anti-americans like yourself feel welcome because of who is in the white house, but make no mistake: you do not belong here with those beliefs.

There are many, many countries which aspire to a boring white hegemony. Go there, be happy, leave the Americans alone.

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by happytoexplain on Sunday May 24, 2026 @12:57AM (#48254512)
It's not helpful to tell citizens to "know their place" and leave their country and claim that people of a given race are boring and call people who love America "anti-American".

On HN of all places.

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by array_key_first on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:07AM (#48254565)
I'm a white American, but my lineage, like yours, is one of immigrants. I did not come here on the mayflower, and neither did you.

You do not love America. You love what you wish America would be. But what America is, is a country composed of immigrants; a melting pot. It's been that way since our very conception and continued into the 20th century.

And, given you do not love what America is, perhaps you do not belong here, and that's fine. As I've stated, there's plenty of white hegemony countries available.

I mean, frankly, I don't know how you could possibly think that's ever been America. Because where I grew up, it was always colorful, from my earliest memories.

And, to be clear, this is a second person you. This applies to everyone who holds these deplorable anti-American beliefs.

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by neverbehind on Sunday May 24, 2026 @11:22AM (#48257998)
You must truly live in that nice colorful bubble you mentioned. I bet CNN/MSNBC is running 24/7 in the background within it.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by array_key_first on Sunday May 24, 2026 @08:00PM (#48262252)
Yes, I must listen to CNN because I stand with the principles that formed this country and that provided us our prosperity. Please, get lost.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by dang on Monday May 25, 2026 @03:49PM (#48270861)
Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by tomhow on Monday May 25, 2026 @03:08PM (#48270462)
Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by happytoexplain on Monday May 25, 2026 @03:02PM (#48270394)
Please, please don't do this. Don't fall into this horrific hatefulness on HN - telling people they don't love their country, that they don't belong in it. Experiment with it elsewhere, and return when you have reflected on what it does to you.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by dang on Monday May 25, 2026 @03:50PM (#48270872)
You crossed into personal attack here, as well as repeatedly perpetuating the flamewar in this thread. Both of those things are against the site guidelines, regardless of how badly other commenters may be behaving. Please don't.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by tadfisher on Saturday May 23, 2026 @07:17PM (#48252559)
Well, why are you posting on HN instead of manning the border? Or are you "offshoring" immigration enforcement to someone who doesn't sit behind a keyboard on a Saturday afternoon?
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by neverbehind on Saturday May 23, 2026 @08:34PM (#48253076)
To own the libs, what else?
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by dang on Monday May 25, 2026 @03:49PM (#48270856)
"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."

a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by fooker on Saturday May 23, 2026 @10:50PM (#48253878)
During my lifetime, about 30.

Some distant family, some friends, some friends of friends back home.

Fortunately, this is more or less expected in my culture and I can be sure my family and descendants will always have this safety net.

I hope for your sake that you are never in a situation where you need help though :)

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by neverbehind on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:02PM (#48253941)
Get a load of this guy. His culture values friends and family. I bet they eat meals together too. Aren't you special and unique?
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by fooker on Saturday May 23, 2026 @11:05PM (#48253953)
You certainly are
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by dang on Monday May 25, 2026 @03:48PM (#48270853)
We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines.

Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by happytoexplain on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:14AM (#48254608)
>I hope for your sake that you are never in a situation where you need help though :)

This is hideous.

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by fooker on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:20AM (#48254632)
Thank you
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by happytoexplain on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:27AM (#48254675)
Please don't bring this style of hateful pettiness to HN.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by fooker on Sunday May 24, 2026 @02:17AM (#48254898)
Sure, if you can stop being sanctimonious.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by happytoexplain on Monday May 25, 2026 @02:59PM (#48270353)
I'm not, I'm honestly asking you with no political feelings. HN is the only place left on the internet I will interact with. I'm desperate for it not to fall like the rest.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by etc-hosts on Sunday May 24, 2026 @03:15AM (#48255203)
I actually do harbor an immigrant family in my home! But I admit I am an outlier.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by happytoexplain on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:09AM (#48254581)
It's a romantic rhetorical cudgel in this context. And it's actually quite complicated, though easy to say.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by stego-tech on Sunday May 24, 2026 @10:47PM (#48262976)
I mean, I think that's a noble position to take; I share it, to a significant degree. The problem is when you start getting into the nuance of the modern world, where everywhere has a record of who you are, what you've done, where you've been, etcetera. The existence of that data means the masses will want to judge immigrants by said data before permitting entry, which means bad actors will leverage said data to persecute those they hate.

In principle, I am 100% with you. Pragmatically however, it's significantly more complex.

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by postflopclarity on Saturday May 23, 2026 @03:21PM (#48250500)
my position has been steady since the start of my political consciousness (maybe ~12 years?)

all laws, including immigration laws, should be enforced consistently and universally, and without bias. and the laws should be changed to make it much simpler and easier to immigrate especially if you are able to already secure employment, housing, and health insurance.

Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by Aniket-N on Saturday May 23, 2026 @06:17PM (#48252126)
Threads like these make me realize how wrong people can be. I understand the complexity and can see how misinformed people are. Makes me wonder what happens in other threads where I know little and just take whatever at face value. Eesh.
Re:DHS Quits Granting Green Cards–Almost by happytoexplain on Saturday May 23, 2026 @07:43PM (#48252753)
You see the complexity, but still categorize a noteworthy number of people somewhere as (relatively) reasonable as HN as clearly "wrong"?