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Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by somenameforme on Friday May 08, 2026 @12:42PM (#48065553)
I'm curious what this means in real terms from the perspective of a Pole.

GDP/capita is often a relatively useless metric in modern times. For instance Ireland has one of the highest GDP/capitas in the world -- around 50% higher than the US. But that's because of economic games with their working as a tax haven to enable corporations to avoid paying taxes to their home countries. It doesn't translate to anything for the average Irishman.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by scyzoryk_xyz on Friday May 08, 2026 @01:51PM (#48066483)
As a Polish millenial the perspective is a rollercoaster. In one way the transformation of absolutely everything over and over and over is mind blowing in a positive way. OTOH we're also all paranoid running on what feels like a never ending hamster wheel of inflation, raises and mortgages. And then Gen-Z's feel straight get up locked out of everything.

We visit western European countries and it's like WTF it's cheaper here?

The multi-generational spread is wild - my boss remembers being raised in 80's scarcity culture verging on 2-3rd world hunger. But our entry level employees are running around demanding everyone to be up to date with everything they see and hear in these little glowing rectangles. It's like two separate progressions have been superimposed on top of each other.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by daliusd on Friday May 08, 2026 @02:53PM (#48067205)
Same story in Lithuania
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by sam_lowry_ on Friday May 08, 2026 @04:23PM (#48068311)
Also economic inequality is quite differently shaped across ages

People over 60 are poor, 40..60 are a mixed bag, 20..40 are struggling to keep up.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by pseudohadamard on Saturday May 09, 2026 @12:18AM (#48071788)
The Baltic states are a pretty odd mix, Estonia could be any western European country while Latvia next door still feels in places like the Red Army has only just pulled out. It was quite a jolt going from one to the other.

Mind you since we'd started from Russia both of them looked pretty good in comparison, that place was dire.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by boogierobis on Monday May 11, 2026 @07:57AM (#48093867)
Dude has not been to Narva lol
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by dhosek on Friday May 08, 2026 @05:51PM (#48069216)
Just as a quick note, the “second world” would have been the Eastern Bloc countries, so by definition, living in Poland in the 80s would have been 2nd-world conditions.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by disgruntledphd2 on Saturday May 09, 2026 @10:35AM (#48075323)
Thank you! Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who remembers this. For example, Ireland was a third world country because (theoretically) we were non aligned.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by trhway on Friday May 08, 2026 @06:02PM (#48069332)
>We visit western European countries and it's like WTF it's cheaper here?

Warsaw is the only place in Europe where a casual search out of curiosity brought 15-20K euro/month developer positions.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by mjtk on Friday May 08, 2026 @08:45PM (#48070601)
Vibecession at country scale. Seems like growth feels like instability for many citizens.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by felixg3 on Friday May 08, 2026 @04:10PM (#48068121)
Within a short time, especially since the EU accession, the development of Poland is just remarkable. I have personally spent a lot of time there and I think the quality of life, safety, access to healthcare, is excellent. Sure, it’s not perfect, but - I know, capital city bias, but I can’t think of a better place. Macro data, as imperfect as they are, reveal a dramatic trajectory in Life expectancy, HDI, while the gini-coefficient remained relatively stable.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by rayiner on Friday May 08, 2026 @01:47PM (#48066428)
> GDP/capita is often a relatively useless metric in modern times.

"Often" is the wrong modifier. GDP/capita aligns very closely with material standard of living for the median person. If you look at the GDP/capita growth in India and China since 1990, or South Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan, since 1950, that reflects very real increases in material standards for ordinary people.

There's two, relatively well-understood situations where GDP/capita isn't reflective:

1) Countries where the economy is dominated by resource extraction or tourism 2) Tax havens

But it's pretty easy to tell whether one of these exceptions applies. It doesn't in the case of Poland, which has a broad, diversified economy with a high level of industrial production.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by standeven on Friday May 08, 2026 @02:25PM (#48066907)
Isn’t GDP pretty easy to boost with deregulation and government overspending, at least in the short term? Neither of which benefits the people.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by bobthepanda on Friday May 08, 2026 @07:55PM (#48070226)
You can’t really keep that up over 35 years though, which is what Poland has achieved.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by philwelch on Saturday May 09, 2026 @12:46AM (#48071903)
Deregulation does benefit the people, at least if it's done in ways that lead to sustained economic growth.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by mejutoco on Friday May 08, 2026 @02:30PM (#48066958)
> GDP/capita aligns very closely with material standard of living for the median person

GDP is an average, not a median, so it might align with the average person, not the median. The average/mean can hide many things (see Anscombe s quartet) which is one of the problems with GDP IMO.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by rayiner on Friday May 08, 2026 @03:11PM (#48067396)
It depends what you’re using the data for. If you’re comparing across countries, or looking at a developing country over time, it’s a relatively small factor. The ratio between the average and the median isn’t that big even in the U.S. (about 1.3). Meanwhile, Poland’s GDP per capita has tripled since 2005: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location....
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by mejutoco on Friday May 08, 2026 @05:21PM (#48068930)
> The ratio between the average and the median isn’t that big even in the U.S. (about 1.3)

Being off by 30% might not matter for some usages, but it is not a small amount. It seems the median is more accurate to report and we agree.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by dhosek on Friday May 08, 2026 @05:55PM (#48069263)
I don’t know that there is any way to calculate a median value of GDP/capita. You can look at income distributions and find a median income and compare that to a mean income, which could allow an estimation, but beyond that, GDP is an intrinsically composite number which cannot be easily (at all?) broken down to individual contributions. I assume income is what the parent commenter is basing the median-mean comparison on, but it’s kind of out of nowhere with no explanation.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by rayiner on Friday May 08, 2026 @08:52PM (#48070643)
For purposes of comparing countries to each other and the same country over time, it’s not 30% off. The average skews higher than the median everywhere, so it’ll be 1.3/1.x.

If you have reported median incomes that are calculated the same way across countries and over time, that would be better. But many countries don’t reliably track that data, and the ones that do calculate it in completely different ways.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by mejutoco on Saturday May 09, 2026 @07:04AM (#48073924)
That all sounds reasonable. My concern was with your quote

> GDP/capita aligns very closely with material standard of living for the median person

GDP per capita is an average. This means it does not align with the _median_ person, but with the average. I believe this is factual and undeniable. No doubt it is interesting too to try to find other metrics for different usages as well.

> For purposes of comparing countries to each other and the same country over time, it’s not 30% off

You said the ratio for the same country between gdp mediand and average is 1.30. That means it is 30% off. Again, we can keep moving the goalposts and I could agree, but for the quoted statements i believe the above is true.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by rayiner on Saturday May 09, 2026 @10:51AM (#48075444)
> GDP per capita is an average. This means it does not align with the _median_ person, but with the average. I believe this is factual and undeniable.

That’s why I used the word “align” instead of the word “is.” If the ratio of mean to median is 1.3, if the mean doubles, the median also will double—the movement of the two values will be “aligned” even if one is offset from the other.

That means when you’re talking about the economic growth of a country, Poland in this case, the mean is a reasonable proxy for the median unless there has been a massive change in the ratio of the median to the mean.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by mejutoco on Saturday May 09, 2026 @02:42PM (#48077186)
From Cambridge dictionary:

> align: to be the same or similar, or to agree with each other; to make two things do this

But I get it, you are using it as correlation.

Still, if gdp per capita average is 130 and median is 100 (ratio is 1.3) there is a 30% difference. This is exactly why, even if they correlate they are not very similar aka they "do not agree with each other" as per the definition above. With your definition they "align".good enough for me. It aligns even better (more closely) to the median.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by hollerith on Monday May 11, 2026 @01:39PM (#48098073)
Replacing the average with the median is not some brilliant move that clarifies any question about an economy. For example, reducing the income of the bottom 49.9% of society to zero would not affect the median income at all.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by Ygg2 on Saturday May 09, 2026 @09:53AM (#48074993)
When economy goes K shaped (only ultra rich or ultra poor with no in-between) GDP is good preidictor of how the ultra rich are fairing.

For everyone else a roulette wheel is a better measurement.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by rayiner on Saturday May 09, 2026 @10:00AM (#48075054)
No economy is K shaped. The vast majority of US income (78%) is earned by people outside the top 1%. It was as high as 90% during the bad economy of the 1970s. Since 1975, real GDP per capita has increased by a factor of 2.8. So the proletariat have 12 percentage points less of a number that’s 2.8 times bigger.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by Ygg2 on Saturday May 09, 2026 @12:42PM (#48076272)
Sure there are. US economy is K shaped. You either become rich or end up poor.

It's economy geared for the rich. Where poor only exist to give rich a confidence boost.

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by rayiner on Saturday May 09, 2026 @01:43PM (#48076754)
You: "US economy is K shaped. You either become rich or end up poor."

Reality: "The vast majority of US income (78%) is earned by people outside the top 1%."

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by Ygg2 on Sunday May 10, 2026 @11:12AM (#48084636)
Your data is wrong. Highest quantile earns +50%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203247/shares-of-househo...

But Rich also account for majority of consumed goods purchased.

Also why did Travel, Entertainment and Food services suffered during post COVID recovery?

Why are McDonald's and other fast food joints that upped their price enjoyed a surge in value, when supply and demand tells otherwise.

https://youtu.be/b1sKlSJ0Czk

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by somenameforme on Sunday May 10, 2026 @10:19AM (#48084203)
In the past GDP/capita used to track pretty strongly with most of all desirable metrics. So then it became the goal, and it started becoming heavily detached from those metrics - Goodhart's Law in action. For instance since 1979 in the US (first date this was measured by the Fed) real median wages are up about 14% [1] while real GDP/capita is up 118%.

And those values are even more detached than the inequity there makes clear, because for about 90% of that time wages were completely flat (and even declining) while GDP/capita kept booming up up and away. So the connection between the two has become very weak while in the past it was quite strongly connected. And that's just one random example - pick most of all those desirable metrics and it's a similar story. GDP just doesn't track with them so well anymore at all.

And when you try to compare between countries GDP becomes completely farcical as the ability to produce a zillion dollars of services doesn't translate, or even have much to do with, the ability to produce a zillion dollars of things.

[1] - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by pipes on Saturday May 09, 2026 @02:06AM (#48072283)
I'm Irish. Well northern Irish. The Republic Ireland seems a lot richer than when I was growing up in n. Ireland. Ireland is the second biggest exporter of software in the world now. I'm pretty certain the tax paid by both corporations and their well paid staff definitely translate to something for the average Irish man. Even if he thinks it doesn't.
Re:Poland is now among the 20 largest economies. How it happ... by wooger on Tuesday May 19, 2026 @03:41AM (#48190427)
US tech companies that 'on paper' export software from Ireland as a tax loophole make it technically the 2nd biggest exporter of software in the world.

There are more people in single 2nd tier city metro areas in other European countries than in the whole of Ireland.