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Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by kqr on Sunday April 26, 2026 @11:38AM (#47911166)
I have worked on similar problems. See e.g. [1].

The LLMs I have tested have terrible world models and intuitions for how actions change the environment. They're also not great at discerning and pursuing the right goals. They're like an infinitely patient five-year old with amazing vocabulary.

[1]: https://entropicthoughts.com/updated-llm-benchmark

(more descriptions available in earlier evaluations referenced from there)

Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by mnky9800n on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:06PM (#47911865)
we should talk. i sent you an email.
Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by malfist on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:04PM (#47912398)
I'm going to ignore all that and tell my developers working in complicated codebases that they have to use AI. I'm sure comprehending side effects in a world building text adventure is completely different that understanding spaghetti code
Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by red75prime on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:53PM (#47912796)
Desarcasmed version: "I think that problems with Zork make those models virtually useless in programming tasks." Correct?
Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by cptskippy on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:52PM (#47915624)
He said complicated code bases. LLMs are great at producing small snippets of code to address very targeted problems.
Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by red75prime on Sunday April 26, 2026 @09:17PM (#47916692)
Great on small snippets of code, passable on larger pieces of code, great at finding vulnerabilities in large pieces of code, terrible in Zork. All-in-all, a jagged frontier that defies a simple sarcastic characterization.
Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by girvo on Monday April 27, 2026 @08:28AM (#47920718)
Very kiki, not very bouba, as Aphyr rightfully stated.
Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:24PM (#47913123)
You can code your prompts to read and write an external world model on the side. This is what most people do who are seriously doing games with LLMs.
Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by stingraycharles on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:41PM (#47917149)
What do you mean with this? What is this world model, what does it capture?
Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by seanmcdirmid on Monday April 27, 2026 @12:39AM (#47917760)
You keep a document going called "state of the world", on every turn, you read this document in (as context), use it to help compute what happens, and based on what happens, create an updated "state of the world" document. You track important details so your LLM is consistent from turn to turn.

If you doing an RPG, which I guess is where this is more obvious, you track the play and enemy positions, their health, their moods and perhaps top thoughts, the state of important inanimate objects. if you break down the door, you update the door's state in the document. This is in contrast to just giving the LLM the previous turns and hoping it realizes the door is broken down later (just by statistical completion).

Re:Why SWE-bench Verified no longer measures frontier coding... by Schlagbohrer on Monday April 27, 2026 @04:48AM (#47919185)
I would love to see consistent-world-state-capturing more integrated into, for example, SillyTavern.