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Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by theodorethomas on Friday April 10, 2026 @09:53AM (#47718201)
The 486 and https://www.delorie.com/djgpp/history.html changed everything.

Suddenly, it was possible to imagine running advanced software on a PC, and not have to spend 25,000 USD on a workstation.

Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by ryandrake on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:02AM (#47719213)
It's hard to convey to today's generation, who think Ivy Bridge to Haswell was a big jump or whatever, how awesome the 286 -> 386 -> 486 changes were to personal computing. It felt almost like what going from a NES to a Super Nintendo to a N64 felt like. The improvements were astounding.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by ciupicri on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:54AM (#47720015)
It wasn't a big jump, but it was a jump. Ivy Bridge lacks the instruction set required to run RHEL 10 [1][2]. The minimum supported microarchitecture level is x86-64-v3 and Ivy Bridge lacks AVX2 instructions.

[1]: https://docs.redhat.com/en/documentation/red_hat_enterprise_...

[2]: https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2024/01/02/exploring-...

Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by raverbashing on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:56AM (#47720043)
I'm surprised RHEL is requiring AVX2 models, they usually had some slack in processor requirements (though I'm sure not as big as Debian)
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by ciupicri on Friday April 10, 2026 @12:20PM (#47720392)
They analysed the compatibility impact, see https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2024/01/02/exploring-...
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by dbdr on Friday April 10, 2026 @10:06AM (#47718387)
Amazing to see a webpage "Updated Dec 1998" still up, running and displaying correctly.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by madduci on Friday April 10, 2026 @10:27AM (#47718689)
Without fancy JS or CSS, sites can last decades easily
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by spankalee on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:07AM (#47719283)
With JS and CSS sites can last decades easily.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by mikestorrent on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:22AM (#47719511)
Agreed, it's not those, it's the fact that we went from JS being a little sprinkling of dynamism on a document to an entire build process with massive numbers of dependencies and browser shims. The web feels like a mistake as a platform...
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by madduci on Saturday April 11, 2026 @12:42AM (#47727476)
I said "fancy", meaning frameworks or custom things. With vanilla js everything is durable
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by KellyCriterion on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:35AM (#47719715)
and dont forget _legendary_ RHIDE dev environment!

https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/gnu/www/directory/all/rhide.html

:-)

And you could use VESA linear framebuffer above 256KB - this was a breakthrough back then :-))

Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by adzm on Friday April 10, 2026 @10:26AM (#47718683)
I remember trying to run a game, Rise of the Triad, which was built with an improved Wolfenstein engine iirc, and having it struggle on my 386 unless I made the viewport as small as possible. At which point it told me to buy a 486... well I did eventually, I guess it worked.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by temporallobe on Friday April 10, 2026 @10:54AM (#47719073)
Had the same experience with Doom II. Got it to run surprisingly well on a brand new Tandy 486DX2 + 4MB RAM, though I seem to recall having issues with SoundBlaster compatibility.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by CyberDildonics on Friday April 10, 2026 @10:55AM (#47719088)
It was really the 386 that was the beginning of modern computing, since it had a mmu.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by fulafel on Friday April 10, 2026 @12:19PM (#47720378)
Several operating systems on 286 (eg Xenix, Coherent, OS/2) used its MMU for multitasking and memory protection. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80286#Protected_mode
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by zozbot234 on Friday April 10, 2026 @01:44PM (#47721396)
The 286 protected mode did not allow for a 32-bit flat address space and was heavily half-baked in other ways, e.g. no inbuilt way to return the CPU to real mode without a slow and fiddly CPU-reset.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by fulafel on Friday April 10, 2026 @03:18PM (#47722438)
It was architecturally a 16-bit CPU so a flat 32-bit address space would be a non sequitur. If you wanted flat 32-bit addressing, there was a contemporary chip that could do it with virtual memory: Motorola 68010 + the optional external MMU. (Or if you were willing to do some hoops, even a 68000.. see the Sun-1)
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by icedchai on Friday April 10, 2026 @02:59PM (#47722199)
Coherent was the first Unix-like OS I ran, on a 386SX box. I think it was Coherent 4.x.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by theodorethomas on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:19AM (#47719461)
Except the 486 had hardware floating point, essential for technical work.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by II2II on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:59AM (#47720070)
An MMU is pretty much necessary for robust multitasking. Without it, you are at the whim of how well software behaves. Without it, it is more difficult for developers to create well behaved software. That also assumes good intentions from programmers, since an MMU is necessary for memory protection (thus security).

While emulating an FPU results in a huge performance penalty, it is only required in certain domains. In the world of IBM PCs, it was also possible to upgrade your system with an FPU after the fact. I don't recall seeing this option for IBM compatibles. While I have seen socketed MMUs on other systems, I don't know whether they were intended as upgrade options.

Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by CyberDildonics on Friday April 10, 2026 @11:24AM (#47719541)
That's an advancement but that's a matter of speed an simplicity. An MMU is a huge before and after, it's still the biggest separator of CPUs today. The most important detail to understand a CPU is whether it has an MMU.
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by ciupicri on Friday April 10, 2026 @12:25PM (#47720452)
By the way, "the i486SX was a microprocessor originally released by Intel in 1991. It was a modified Intel i486DX microprocessor with its floating-point unit (FPU) disabled." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I486SX)
Re:Intel 486 CPU announced April 10, 1989 by saati on Friday April 10, 2026 @01:12PM (#47721047)
You could buy a 8087 for your 8086 or 8088, the 486DX just moved it on chip.