Depends on your work flow.

I find that for human in the loop Gemini beats both.

Been my experience as well, but generally the anti-Google sentiment here is pretty loud so you'll never see anyone praising Gemini here pretty much

Some of that, sure. But realistically, a lot people are just don't want to pay for every frontier model provider out there as they're released. Not just money, but also time trying them out. (Recommend people at least try out their multimodal model.)

It doesn't help that Google offers a bunch of confusing plans in multiple places. I ended up just pasting all their AI plan URLs, at least that I could find, into Claude so I didn't have to figure it out.

I pay for Google Workspace, so pretty much the Gemini Pro included with that suffices my use case. I can't say it will work for everyone, but I do use it for random tasks - all the way from wood working to building complex software projects, and so far I've rarely hit the limit too.

What Gemini Pro comes with Workspace? Is there api allowance? Different than free users?

I guess if you choose the business standard, you get "Pro access to features & models with enterprise-grade security & privacy"

https://knowledge.workspace.google.com/admin/getting-started...

It says "Gemini App" but I am not sure what it's referring to.

I guess it's access to Gemini, because that's the plan I'm on and you can access Gemini using gemini.google.com or their phone app (Android/iOS). I couldn't find information on the API, maybe it's on that page, but I couldn't find it from my phone browser. Anyway, I use OpenRouter pretty much, so I have no idea if the API is part of my plan.

Thank you.

I think Antigravity w/Gemini is a great product; it's been super useful on a bunch of my hobby projects. It's especially wonderful when writing firmware and needing to add support for a new chip. I can point it at a PDF datasheet and it'll do a much better job of reading it and parsing out all of the register fields than anything else. Saves me enormous amounts of time.

Thanks, been meaning to try it. I heard the limits on that is an issue and people are supposedly blowing the limits off way too easily? How has your experience been so far in this regard?

On a free Google plan the limits are comically low. On any paid One plan, they are high enough that I almost never hit them.

Is anti-Google sentiment still pretty loud? People seem excited about Gemini catching up + Gemma 4

Yeah, in most threads you will see anyone recommending Gemini be downvoted. Ironically, Gemini (with Workspace subscription) is the only model that explicitly states it doesn't use your inputs to train their models right under the chat box. AFAIK no other provider does that explicitly - usually there is a hidden toggle in settings you will need to turn off.

TIL. That's cool. I mostly use Gemini 3 Flash for some background jobs because of the price/perf, but rooting for their models to improve. Competition is good.

The catch: If you don't pay any subscriptions to Google, they will use your data for training their models. Agreed on competition being good.

The corporate subscription for ChatGPT says the same thing. And I would be shocked if it wasn't the same for a corporate agreement for Claude.

Google does not know how to sell.

They have multiple offerings, they probably will kill some of them very soon. There is no reason to waste your time and money on Google.

I pay for both ChatGPT and Gemini.

I've finished (as in: it's done, it works, and I may never need to change it again) entire projects with ChatGPT and Codex. Sometimes it takes a lot of hand-holding to get there, but it does get there and (with the exception of 4o) it's been improving since the beginning.

In contrast: I can't even get Gemini Pro to give me any answers to the most primitive questions that aren't caked in prima facie lies without at least 4 interactions, in any context, ever. The output is consistently and ridiculously garish with its insessant self-contradictions. It seems to be impossible to actually get anywhere with it.

What am I doing wrong here?