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Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by XorNot on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:31PM (#47446494)
I feel like downplaying 1.8 degrees C of performance is a weird choice in the article.

1.8 degrees C is a huge temperature change in biology. Human bodies keep thermal equilibrium in a margin smaller then that.

Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by adonovan on Thursday March 19, 2026 @06:35PM (#47447348)
Also weird phrasing: "a staggering 1.8 degrees" begs the reader to think of it as a large number (which in fact it is, as you point out) yet their intent seems to be, ironically and paradoxically, to diminish it.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by altairprime on Thursday March 19, 2026 @07:05PM (#47447660)
I felt like that’s more like a rhetorical device for shorthand-saying “one might expect a ten or twenty degree difference based on modern marketing”, and I’m annoyed the article didn’t say that because it’s a pretty good point delivered rather poorly.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by alistairSH on Thursday March 19, 2026 @07:52PM (#47448219)
A 20* swing in body temp would render you dead…
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by altairprime on Thursday March 19, 2026 @08:19PM (#47448498)
Yep! That's what makes marketing against the imaginary foil of death so impactful: the alternative, "if not for our technical fabric, you'd have to fluctuate between zero and six layers of fabric based on exertion, humidity, inclement weather, and personal thermal comfort", is a lot less manipulative than "wear our fabric or die before the peak". Sure, it's true that you have to wear something or die (unless you're a statistical anomaly, anyways), but marketing based on glove weight doesn't cause as many sales as marketing based on frostbite.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by alistairSH on Friday March 20, 2026 @08:30AM (#47453637)
Yeah, for "real" mountaineering, weights a concern, but not as much as "I don't my limbs to freeze off".

For my use cases (backpacking/bikepacking), it's all about the weight. But, I tend not to camp when it drops below 40*F (I do, but I have a travel trailer for that).

Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by bryanrasmussen on Thursday March 19, 2026 @07:53PM (#47448244)
One might expect to be dead if following Modern marketing guidelines.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by pinkmuffinere on Thursday March 19, 2026 @10:22PM (#47449647)
It would be hilarious if they did find a 10 degree difference. “Old gear keeps you chilly but fine. Modern gear straight up kills you!”
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by Terretta on Friday March 20, 2026 @07:30AM (#47453151)
Because a machine wrote it, not a human.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by altairprime on Friday March 20, 2026 @02:21PM (#47458566)
I’m useless at recognizing AI writing sometimes; so, if this is that, email the mods and ask them to flag it off the site. (Explaining why you view it as AI writing will save a round or two of reply.) I’m all for what the twins are doing but AI writing should be purged here.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by fellowniusmonk on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:33PM (#47446534)
Also: Freezing right away when you stop moving at 8k altitude? I was just skiing at 11k and it never even crossed my mind.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by Scarblac on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:53PM (#47446822)
8k meters. There is no place at 11k where you can ski.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by idontwantthis on Thursday March 19, 2026 @06:20PM (#47447148)
You could be on skis they might make it harder to control your parachute.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by skithrowyouknow on Thursday March 19, 2026 @08:18PM (#47448491)
My friend skis make it easier to use your parachute https://youtu.be/3CDyQXtBGBw?si=YMXZOqvkCLaaLamy&t=1457
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by manarth on Friday March 20, 2026 @04:49AM (#47452070)
People who paraglide often launch (and land) on skis and can then use thermals to ascend above their launch site. No-one's flying to 11,000m though!

(The highest recorded paraglider flight was 10,054m – unintentional, got sucked into a cumulonimbus cloud updraft - also lost consciousness).

Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by MagnumOpus on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:52PM (#47446807)
Yes. They were talking about 8,000 metres of altitude. (Talking about Mallory should have been a clue too.)
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by ghaff on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:48PM (#47446749)
Not right away. But a lot depends on the wind.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by jhellan on Thursday March 19, 2026 @05:50PM (#47446782)
The article says meters, not feet.
Re:How the Turner Twins Are Mythbusting Modern Gear by ropable on Friday March 20, 2026 @12:45AM (#47450591)
I didn't quite clock what they meant in that paragraph. I'm pretty sure that a 1.8 degree drop in body temp is approaching hypothermia.