Do you think that makes the killing, violence and harassment of Palestinians, individuals who are not provoking, by uninvited settlers on their land one iota less detestable?
It doesn’t help Israel to only point out the crimes of others, if they are not concerned about their own.
This is a problem that troubles many people who support Israel against Iran. Which, I do, whole heartedly.
I am not making any arguments of false equivalence. But concern about only one set of crimes is a deeply false and immoral dichotomy.
Most Gazans want to destroy Israel and that is the explicit goal of Hamas. They think they can get their land back by force but they can't and trying just makes their lives worse.
That’s called murder.
We are talking about families, men, women, children, brutalized. By uninvited invaders. Chased off their own property. Systematically. With complicity from authorities that are supposed to stop and rectify crimes.
Your (lack of) moral logic is this is ok because there are other Palestinians that are not innocent.
Unlike you, I won’t judge other people, or groups of people, based on you. Only you are responsible for inhumanity which you attest to.
Crimes are crimes. There are no good excuses for any of them.
How are you any different from the people you condemn?
How does your selective sense of justice not validate the people you condemn?
If you don’t stand for justice for everyone, including Palestinians, you are no different from those who approve of atrocities to innocent Israeli’s in response to the crimes of other Israelis.
Several times here I have clearly confirmed I stand with Israel against anyone harming its people. Iran, Hamas, any of them. But their crimes don’t absolve other crimes by other people.
I believe people with selective justice are doing great harm to Israel. Undermining its moral standing, and feeding its opposition, in these conflicts.
I did no such thing. The Israeli settlers are just as much crazed religious lunatics as the average Hamas member.
But over and over again the Palestinians have proven to be their own worse enemies.
It is a false and self-defeating dichotomy, to think condemning the evil and injustices of others, requires throwing away your own support for justice. Committing or being complicit in symmetric crimes.
Ok, we are close to agreement.
> But over and over again the Palestinians have proven to be their own worse enemies.
That's a good way to put it. Palestinians and sympathizers who support crimes against Israeli’s, are destroying their own people’s prospects.
It is awful and depressing.
Likewise, Israeli settlers, who perpetrate violence against Palestinians, counter productively motivate radicalization against Israel.
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But things go beyond what you have acknowledged.
Israeli's leaders protect those radicals. They are not held accountable.
I am encouraged by the Israeli military's many successes against their enemies. But sad that radicals in Israel, and their crimes, are tolerated and protected by its leadership.
The Palestinians who have been killed by settlers might not find that helpful. Just as innocent Israeli’s who have been killed by Iranian proxies do not benefit from their own country’s crimes.
Victims are victims.
Any argument by a group that their crimes get a pass, because they commit fewer atrocities is broken.
The perpetrators of fewer atrocities, and those who give them cover, regardless of whataboutism, have still thrown away any moral standing.