Are you saying that the USA have 'human peace' as a goal? Where have you been the last 50 years? Mars?

And it's precisely the US who's not acting rationally nor have any goals for human peace.

So you rather have a world controlled by the Chinese axis?

"Chinese axis".

In many ways I think it would be better than the world controlled by the US axis.

Then again, I am not from the US nor Israel nor any muslim country. I just hope the countries I care about stay out of this Iran deal.

This would allow me to quietly hope that Iran somehow wins this in the long run. I have this tendency of supporting the aggressed party in uneven conflicts.

If you are living in a western country, you are talking out of extreme privilege and zero sense.

Automatically presuming that the weak side is the morally right is such a skewed an naive world view.

I presume no such thing. I never implied morality to the Iranian government.

However, in this case, the US-Israel axis is undoubtedly the agressor, and morally indefensible.

In the Russian invasion against Ukraine, I can hope Ukraine succeedes without ascribing morality to the Ukrainian government.

Even when Iran is funding and arming Hamas, hezbollah, houthis, irqai militias, calls for the destruction of Israel, a trying to build such capability? When is a preemptive strike legitimate?

Are we going to pretend Israel has no genocidaire ambitions against basically every neighboring country? What do you think ideas of "greater Israel" are?

Hell, the US ambassator to Israel basically admitted to it in an recent interview with Tucker Carlson.

Also, lest we forget, the US has a huge laundry list of supporting insurgencies and actively sponsoring coups everywhere. Especially in Latin America.

To be frank, Iran sounds pretty tame in comparison. If your argument is that they are evil, I would counter they are definitely the lesser of two evils.

So.... Go Persia?

“Greater Israel” is such a stupid take, conspiracy from Islamist propaganda. I can count with both my hands the number of people that believe that in Israel.

Let’s perform a thought experiment. Israel is 8 million Jews, half of the country is an unpopulated desert, our largest border is with Jordan which is barely defensible. And you think that we want to conquer Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and parts of Iraq? With what army? How can we support such a conquest? How will we defend that border? Sharing a border with Iran? How will 8 million Jews handle the 40 million Muslims that will allegedly be conquered? This makes so little sense that believing it just exposes your radical bias.

> I can count with both my hands the number of people that believe that in Israel.

I hope you are counting the current prime minister with your fingers.

> And you think that we want to conquer Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and parts of Iraq?

I think Israel is an extremely aggressive country, yes.

> How will 8 million Jews handle the 40 million Muslims that will allegedly be conquered?

Conquered? No, the 40 million would be murdered if Israel has its way.

Speaking of numbers is very disingenuous when it an bring along the US to this fight.

I said that Israel has genocidaire ambitions towards its neighbors, I never said anything about conquest.

Population numbers would matter only if Israel had ambitions to rule over the people. When your intention is murder the numbers are only a challenge to your goal.

So you’re saying that Israel is planning to kill 40 million people with the help of USA? jeez man, you gotta lay of the kool aid. That’s some deep conspiracy shit.

Planning? I can't say.

Desire? Absolutely. That's what they have been doing with the Palestinians after all.

As I said before, I have no dog in this race. I personally prefer the countries I care about to not get involved in this conflict, and hope the US-Israel axis lose somehow.

I stole that silly axis jargon from you. It is very fitting there now.

Why this fake dilemma? This US administration is acting terribly irrationally and dangerously, independently of what China does.

> You think that all countries should get the same rights?

Do you think all people in your country should get the same rights?

They do, unless they commit crimes, then these rights get severely limited (like every country in the world)

So then all countries should have same rights.

Are you saying that countries and people are the same?

And I’m not entirely sure what point are you trying to make, that terror countries like the houthis should have nuclear weapons, or that people in a country should not have equal rights.

Yes countries are people and to secure their existence nuclear option should be perused. This was much better written here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47191788

It’s amazing to me that you truly think that terrorists having nuclear weapons will make the world safer.

Terrorists already have nuclear weapons. Of course no country having nukes is ideal, but in absence of that possibility everyone having them is better, unless your reasoning is "I hope my side has them and the other side doesn't."

Of course that that’s my reasoning. You don’t start war out of a presumption of power equality. Wars are won by a power imbalance.

When someone is attacking me obviously I want the bigger and stronger weapon.