1. Tesla is not competitive with Waymo, they're not even in the same class. Waymo is 10 years ahead at least. I understand you can't buy a Waymo, but still.

2. Other car companies are properly valued, Tesla is overinflated.

3. Other cars, even basic Hondas, have the same level of self driving as Teslas.

4. Other car companies don't lie to their customers about their capabilities or what they're buying.

> Other cars, even basic Hondas, have the same level of self driving as Teslas.

This is not true at all. Don't confuse lane assist with self driving. And yes I'm aware people are upset by the "Autopilot" product name they chose for lane assist.

There is certainly some truth that "some company" overpromised and underdelivered. They advertise "full self driving" but then hide in the fine-print that "oh jk, not really, but its still full self driving if anyone asks ;) ;) ;)"

I think the frustration stems from the obvious falsehoods in the advertising, and the doubling-down on the tech, despite the well-documented weaknesses of the implementation.

Have you driven in Tesla FSD recently? If anything it’s undersold. It’s an absolute miracle. I use it everyday.

Please be courteous to other drivers on the road, we all share it. Just make sure you’re the one in charge, not the software. This isn’t to put your argument down, but to offer the perspective of people involved in accidents. Loss of life is bad, but surviving accidents is also equally bad.

You're way off if you think that Waymo and FSD are anywhere close.

Because other car companies don't have CEOs who've been super confident about predicting actual full self driving either "this year" or "next year" for the past decade. If Ford had been swearing up and down they'd have full self driving cracked any day now for ten years, and been charging people for the hardware along the way, everyone would be pissed at them too.

Surely you already know this, so why pretend otherwise?