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Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by hattmall on Tuesday February 17, 2026 @10:40PM (#47056870)
I find that highly unlikely, coding is the AIs best value use case by far. Right now office workers see marginal benefits but it's not like it's an order of magnitude difference. AI drafts an email, you have to check and edit it, then send it. In many cases it's a toss up if that actually saved time, and then if it did, it's not like the pace of work is break neck anyway, so the benefit is some office workers have a bit more idle time at the desk because you always tap some wall that's out of your control. Maybe AI saves you a Google search or a doc lookup here and there. You still need to check everything and it can cause mistakes that take longer too. Here's an example from today.

Assistant is dispatching a courier to get medical records. AI auto completes to include the address. Normally they wouldn't put the address, the courier knows who we work with, but AI added it so why not. Except it's the wrong address because it's for a different doctor with the same name. At least they knew to verify it, but still mistakes like this happening at scale is making the other time savings pretty close to a wash.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by sanex on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @12:13AM (#47057427)
Not all code generates economic value. See slacks, jiras, etc constant ui updates.
Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by fakedang on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @03:58AM (#47058852)
That makes it a perfect use case for AI, since now you don't need a dev for that. Any devs doing that would, imo, be effectively performing one of David Graeber's bullshit jobs.
Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by cucumber3732842 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @08:01AM (#47060494)
High quality code that does exactly what it needs to do and well and that makes various actors and organizations far more efficient at their jobs... but their jobs are of negative economic value.
Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by nradov on Tuesday February 17, 2026 @11:28PM (#47057168)
LLMs might not save time but they certainly increase quality for at least some office work. I frequently use it to check my work before sending to colleagues or customers and it occasionally catches gaps or errors in my writing.
Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by toraway on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @12:00AM (#47057362)
But that idealized example could also be offset by another employee who doubles their own output by churning out lower-quality unreviewed workslop all day without checking anything, while wasting other people's time.
Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by sunrunner on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @05:22AM (#47059468)
Something I call the 'Generate First, Review Never' approach, seemingly favoured by my colleagues, and which has the magical quality of increasing the overall amount of work done through an increased amount of time taken by N receivers of low-quality document having to review, understand and fact check said document.

See also: AI-Generated “Workslop” Is Destroying Productivity [1]

[1] https://hbr.org/2025/09/ai-generated-workslop-is-destroying-...

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by bartread on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @07:47AM (#47060419)
Yeah, but that's no different from any other aspect of office work, and more conventional forms of automation. Gains by one person are often offset to some extent by the laziness, inattentiveness, or ineptitude of others.

What AI has done is accelerate and magnify both the positives and the negatives.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by majormajor on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @01:55AM (#47058069)
Coding is a relatively verifiable and strict task: it has to pass the compiler, it has to pass the test suite, it has to meet the user's requests.

There are a lot of white-collar tasks that have far lower quality and correctness bars. "Researching" by plugging things into google. Writing reports summarizing how a trend that an exec saw a report on can be applied to the company. Generating new values to share at a company all-hands.

Tons of these that never touch the "real world." Your assistant story is like a coding task - maybe someone ran some tests, maybe they didn't, but it was verifiable. No shortage of "the tests passed, but they weren't the right test, this broke some customers and had to be fixed by hand" coding stories out there like it. There are pages and pages of unverifiable bullshit that people are sleepwalking through, too, though.

Nobody already knows if those things helped or hurt, so nobody will ever even notice a hallucination.

But everyone in all those fields is going to be trying really really hard to enumerate all the reasons it's special and AI won't work well for them. The "management says do more, workers figure out ways to be lazier" see-saw is ancient, but this could skew far towards "management demands more from fewer people" spectrum for a while.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by t43562 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @04:31AM (#47059050)
Code may have to compile but that's a lowish bar and since the AI is writing the tests it's obvious that they're going to pass.

In all areas where there's less easy ways to judge output there is going to be correspondingly more value to getting "good" people. Some AI that can produce readable reports isn't "good" - what matters is the quality of the work and the insight put into it which can only be ensured by looking at the workers reputation and past history.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by naasking on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @06:23AM (#47059874)
> since the AI is writing the tests it's obvious that they're going to pass

That's not obvious at all if the AI writing the tests is different than the AI writing the code being tested. Put into an adversarial and critical mode, the same model outputs very different results.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by disiplus on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @08:52AM (#47060911)
Even if its a different session it can be enough. But that said i had times where it rewrote tests "because my implementation was now different so the tests needed to be updated" so you have to prompt even that to tell it to not touch the tests.
Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by xmcqdpt2 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @09:13AM (#47061128)
and then verify that it obeyed the prompt!

Someone needs to build an agentic tool that does strict, enforced TDD.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by t43562 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @09:43AM (#47061464)
IMO the reason neither of them can really write entirely trustworthy tests is that they don't have domain knowledge so they write the test based on what the code does plus what they extract from some prompts rather than based on some abstract understanding of what it should do given that it's being used e.g. in a nuclear power station or for promoting cat videos or in a hospital or whatever.

Obviously this is only partially true but it's true enough.

It takes humans quite a long time to learn the external context that lets them write good tests IMO. We have trouble feeding enough context into AIs to give them equal ability. One is often talking about companies where nobody bothers to write down more than 1/20th of what is needed to be an effective developer. So you go to some place and 5 years later you might be lucky to know 80% of the context in your limited area after 100s of meetings and talking to people and handling customer complaints etc.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by naasking on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @11:02AM (#47062453)
Yes, some kind of spec is always needed, and if the human programmer only has the spec in their head, then that's going to be a problem, but it's a problem for teams of humans as well.
Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by nthj on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @09:47AM (#47061509)
We’ve had the sycophant problem for as long as people have held power over other people, and the answer has always been “put 3-5 workers in a room and make them compete for the illusion of favor.”

I have been doing this with coding agents across LLM providers for a while now, with very successful results. Grok seems particularly happy to tell Anthropic where it’s cutting corners, but I get great insights from O3 and Gemini too.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by pydry on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @06:05AM (#47059765)
>Coding is a relatively verifiable and strict task: it has to pass the compiler, it has to pass the test suite, it has to meet the user's requests.

Except the test suite isnt just something that appears and the bugs dont necessarily get covered by the test suite.

The bugginess of a lot of the software i use has spiked in a very noticeable way, probably due to this.

>But everyone in all those fields is going to be trying really really hard to enumerate all the reasons it's special and AI won't work well for them.

No, not everyone. Half of them are trying to lean in to the changing social reality.

The gaslighting from the executive side, on the other hand, is nearly constant.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by vrighter on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @03:21AM (#47058594)
Code is much much harder to check for errors than an email.

Consider, for example, the following python code:

    x = (5)
vs

    x = (5,)
One is a literal 5, and the other is a single element tuple containing the number 5. But more importantly, both are valid code.

Now imagine trying to spot that one missing comma among the 20kloc of code one so proudly claims AI helped them "write", especially if it's in a cold path. You won't see it.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by lock1 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @04:52AM (#47059214)
> Code is much much harder to check for errors than an email.

Disagree.

Even though performing checks on dynamic PLs is much harder than on static ones, PLs are designed to be non-ambiguous. There should be exactly 1 interpretation for any syntactically valid expression. Your example will unambiguously resolve to an error in a standard-conforming Python interpreter.

On the other hand, natural languages are not restricted by ambiguity. That's why something like Poe's law exists. There's simply no way to resolve the ambiguity by just staring at the words themselves, you need additional information to know the author's intent.

In other words, an "English interpreter" cannot exist. Remove the ambiguities, you get "interpreter" and you'll end up with non-ambiguous, Python-COBOL-like languages.

With that said, I agree with your point that blindly accepting 20kloc is certainly not a good idea.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by vrighter on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @09:06AM (#47061037)
Tell me you've never written any python without telling me you've never written any python...

Those are both syntactically valid lines of code. (it's actually one of python's many warts). They are not ambiguous in any way. one is a number, the other is a tuple. They return something of a completely different type.

My example will unambiguously NOT give an error because they are standard conforming. Which you would have noticed had you actually took 5 seconds to try typing them in the repl.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by lock1 on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @10:19AM (#47061935)

  > Those are both syntactically valid lines of code. (it's actually one of python's many warts). They are not ambiguous in any way. one is a number, the other is a tuple. They return something of a completely different type.
You just demonstrated how hard it is to "check" an email or text message by missing the point of my reply.

  > "Now imagine trying to spot that one missing comma among the 20kloc of code"
I assume your previous comment tries to bring up Python's dynamic typing & late binding nature and use it as an example of how it can be problematic when someone tries to blindly merge 20kloc LLM-generated Python code.

My reply, "Your example will unambiguously resolve to an error in a standard-conforming Python interpreter." tried to respond to the possibility of such an issue. Even though it's probably not the program behavior you want, Python, being a programming language, will be 100% guaranteed to interpret it unambiguously.

I admit, I should have phrased it a bit more unambiguously than leaving it like that.

Even if it's hard, you can try running a type checker to statically catch such problems. Even if it's not possible in cases of heavy usage of Python's dynamic typing feature, you can just run it and check the behavior at runtime. It might be hard to check, but not impossible.

On the other hand, it's impossible to perform a perfectly consistent "check" on this reply or an email written in a natural language, the person reading it might interpret the message in a completely different way.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by bartread on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @07:44AM (#47060400)
In my experience the example you give here is exactly the kind of problem that AI powered code reviews are really good at spotting, and especially amongst codebases with tens of thousands of lines of code in them where a human being might well get scrolling blindness when quickly moving around them to work.
Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by vrighter on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @09:12AM (#47061110)
The AI is the one which made the mistake in the first place. Why would you assume it's guaranteed to find it?

The few times I've tried giving LLMs a shot I've had them warning me of not putting some validations in, when that exact validation was exactly 1 line below where they stopped looking.

And even if it did pass an AI code review, that's meaningless anyway. It still needs to be reviewed by an actual human before putting it into production. And that person would still get scrolling blindness whether or not the ai "reviewer" actually detected the error or not.

Re:Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on emplo... by bartread on Wednesday February 18, 2026 @01:22PM (#47064304)
> The AI is the one which made the mistake in the first place. Why would you assume it's guaranteed to find it?

I didn't say they were guaranteed to find it: I said they were really good at finding these sorts of errors. Not perfect: just really good. I also didn't make any assumption: I said in my experience, by which I mean the code you shared is similar to a portion of the errors that I've seen LLMs find.

Which LLMs have you used for code generation?

I mostly use claude-opus-4-6 at the moment for development, and have had mostly good experiences. This is not to say it never gets anything wrong, but I'm definitely more productive with it than without it. On GitHub I've been using Copilot for more limited tasks as an agent: I find it's decent at code review, but more variable at fixing problems it finds, and so I quite often opt for manual fixes.

And then the other question is, how do you use them? I tend to keep them on quite a short leash, so I don't give them huge tasks, and on those occasions where I am doing something larger or more complex, I tend to write out quite a detailed and prescriptive prompt (which might take 15 minutes to do, but then it'll go and spend 10 minutes to generate code that might have taken me several hours to write "the old way").