Right now, it's more like US corpos are try to twist the arm of EU governments [1][2], pushing heavy propaganda to manipulate our elections [3], allying with the US government to do so. And the US government has been threatening EU govts with invasion [4], leveraging US corpos to harm lawful individuals doing their jobs in the EU [5], and sanctioning elected officials for performing their duties [6], or threatened to [7].

Sure, there's an hypothetical risk of the EU turning sour. On the other hand, when it comes to US corpos, the risk has materialized.

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly930y90lro [2]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0589g0dqq7o [3]: https://www.politico.eu/article/twitter-faces-renewed-scruti... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_crisis [5]: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/11/19/n... [6]: https://www.brusselstimes.com/1931733/eu-parliament-blasts-u... [7]: https://www.politico.eu/article/us-accused-threats-eu-diplom...

European citizens getting sanctioned by the EU (basically a death sentence), is not hypothetical, IT'S REAL.[1]

Jacques BAUD and Xavier MOREAU, Swiss and French nationals respectively, were sanctioned by the EU along with a laundry list of Russian nationals, on the accusation of being russian mouthpieces, with no due process or public trial where the EU could show their evidence and they could plead their case and defend themselves, but no, the EU just acted as judge, jury and executioner on the spot just because it didn't like what those people, that nobody has ever heard of, were saying about Ukraine and Russia in public.

I kind of get it if they only did it to russian citizens living in Russia in the current geopolitical context, but doing this to your own citizens living here is an unaccountable excessive use of force without democratic or humanitarian checks and bounds. This is far more dangerous than what any US tech company could do to us here.

[1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELE...

Is he not still a French born citizen deserving of a fair trial? Or should getting a dual citizenship of a foreign passport, of a nation that later becomes an adversary, become an automatic death sentence? US should then put all it citizens with Cuban and Iranian passports in jail with that logic.

And then what about Jacques BAUD who's Swiss living in Belgium? He doesn't deserve a fair trial either? On what grounds? With what evidence?

How can you justify dishing out death sentences without trial? Remember that blindly supporting the authoritarian hand waving of due process with no trial or evidence, just to easily get rid of undesirable people, can always be used against you too, if what you say becomes undesirable when politics shifts.

Being sanctioned means no bank will touch you, meaning no employer and landlord will touch you, meaning you don't get a national insurance health card to receive healthcare, and you'll be homeless and begging for food.

How is taking away all of someone's means to survive NOT a death sentence?

How does being sanctioned by the EU *while living in Russia* do that?

Since when does Russia care?

(Assuming of course that the claim you responded to was in fact correct, that he has been living in Russia since 2013).

Because Jacques BAUD is NOT living in Russia but is living in Belgium like I said 3 times already.

Has reading comprehension gotten THAT bad?

  Assuming of course that the claim you responded to was in fact correct, that he has been living in Russia since 2013

You seem to be invested in trying to stitch together flimsy arguments based on specious reasoning.

Your so-called victims are Russian agents with Russian nationality which have been engaged directly with a totalitarian regime that is engaged in war across Europe, both cold and hot.

You don't even try to argue for innocence. You know they are agents and guilty, but somehow opt to shift focus to technicalities. Why?

WHere's the proof that they are? Would you be OK is someone accused you of being a russian agent because you criticized the EU too much, and sanction you with no opportunity to defend yourself in court?

>You don't even try to argue for innocence.

Why would I? I don't know if they are innocent, that's why I want a public trial.

>You know they are agents and guilty

I Don't know that. That's just what the EU told us. That's why I want a public trial.

I think you are discussing topics you are not familiar with, or you're being disingenuous.

In case you live under a rock and chose to comment on issues that you know nothing about, you can start reading up on this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46973777

> Would you be OK is someone accused you of being a russian agent because you criticized the EU too much, and sanction you with no opportunity to defend yourself in court?

If I'm ever assigned Russian nationality and collaborate as a Russian observer on russia's sham elections on occupied territories, be my guest. Do you think you'd be wrong?

> Why would I? I don't know if they are innocent, that's why I want a public trial.

Yeah, you have been claiming ignorance on the topic. Willful or not, that is to be determined.

It's weird, however, how you invest so little effort to educate yourself on the topic but still feel compelled such strong opinions on doubts and technicalities and turning blind eye to foreign interference.

If this is the best example you can muster, you don't have much of a case.

They are Russian nationals pushing propaganda for a totalitarian regime which has been engaging in wars of annexation throughout Europe and whose threats of nuclear war against Europe are pushed on almost on a daily basis.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/18/who-are-the-we...

> I would get it if they only did this to russian citizens living in Russia in the current geopolitical context, (...)

They are. Nevertheless, it's stupid to even consider the idea that only foreign nationals can be foreign agents.

Where's the proof beyond reasonable doubt resulting from a trial, that those European citizens have done the things you say?

Or is Euro News propaganda supposed to be the only proof on which EU gets to throw people in jail without trial?

Shouldn't you get a trial where you get a chance to defend yourself before being sanctioned? I swear you people are cheering for 1984 authoritarianism to buttfuck you.

>Nevertheless, it's stupid to even consider the idea that only foreign nationals can be foreign agents.

As long as they are EU citizens, they deserve a fair EU trial and not just get sanctioned because EU says "trust me bro" about people they want to see disappeared.

Are you nuts? Not only does the guy run a company dedicated exclusively to push Kremlin propaganda, he literally presents propaganda program's in Kremlin's RT.

Are you living under a rock?

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2023/12/15/the-web-...

At this point it's evident you are either playing the role of wilful ignorant, or heavily invested in being contrarian.

And if they refuse to return to the EU for this trial? That means they could do whatever they want with no consequences?

It's totally not the "ministry of truth".