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Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by skhameneh on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @11:38AM (#46873285)
It’s hard to elaborate just how wild this model might be if it performs as claimed. The claims are this can perform close to Sonnet 4.5 for assisted coding (SWE bench) while using only 3B active parameters. This is obscenely small for the claimed performance.
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by cirrusfan on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @11:45AM (#46873398)
If it sounds too good to be true…
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by theshrike79 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:01PM (#46873646)
Should be possible with optimised models, just drop all "generic" stuff and focus on coding performance.

There's no reason for a coding model to contain all of ao3 and wikipedia =)

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by noveltyaccount on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:29PM (#46874023)
I think I like coding models that know a lot about the world. They can disambiguate my requirements and build better products.
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by regularfry on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:52PM (#46874413)
I generally prefer a coding model that can google for the docs, but separate models for /plan and /build is also a thing.
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by noveltyaccount on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:31PM (#46875068)
> separate models for /plan and /build

I had not considered that, seems like a great solution for local models that may be more resource-constrained.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by regularfry on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:49PM (#46875385)
You can configure aider that way. You get three, in fact: an architect model, a code editor model, and a quick model for things like commit messages. Although I'm not sure if it's got doc searching capabilities.
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by MarsIronPI on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:34PM (#46874118)
But... but... I need my coding model to be able to write fanfiction in the comments...
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by moffkalast on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:22PM (#46874911)
That's what Meta thought initially too, training codellama and chat llama separately, and then they realized they're idiots and that adding the other half of data vastly improves both models. As long as it's quality data, more of it doesn't do harm.

Besides, programming is far from just knowing how to autocomplete syntax, you need a model that's proficient in the fields that the automation is placed in, otherwise they'll be no help in actually automating it.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by theshrike79 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @04:13PM (#46877370)
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Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by jstummbillig on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:31PM (#46875078)
There is: It works (even if we can't explain why right now).

If we knew how to create a SOTA coding model by just putting coding stuff in there, that is how we would build SOTA coding models.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by wongarsu on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @05:25PM (#46878226)
Now I wonder how strong the correlation between coding performance and ao3 knowledge is in human programmers. Maybe we are on to something here /s
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by FuckButtons on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:12PM (#46876585)
There have been advances recently (last year) in scaling deep rl by a significant amount, their announcement is in line with a timeline of running enough experiments to figure out how to leverage that in post training.
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by Der_Einzige on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:16PM (#46876656)
It literally always is. HN Thought DeepSeek and every version of Kimi would finally dethrone the bigger models from Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google. They're literally always wrong and average knowledge of LLMs here is shockingly low.
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by cmrdporcupine on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @04:52PM (#46877851)
Nobody has been saying they'd be dethroned. We're saying they're often "good enough" for many use cases, and that they're doing a good job of stopping the Big Guys from creating a giant expensive moat around their businesses.

Chinese labs are acting as a disruption against Altman etcs attempt to create big tech monopolies, and that's why some of us cheer for them.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by Der_Einzige on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @12:05AM (#46881694)
"Nobody says X" is as presumptuous and wrong (both metaphorically and literally) as "LLMs can't do X". It is one of the worst thought terminating cliches.

Thousands have been saying this, you aren't paying attention.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by cmrdporcupine on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @12:25AM (#46881823)
As thought terminating as "HN Thought [insert strawman here]"

C'mon.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by Aurornis on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:20PM (#46876710)
I experimented with the Q2 and Q4 quants. First impression is that it's amazing we can run this locally, but it's definitely not at Sonnet 4.5 level at all.

Even for my usual toy coding problems it would get simple things wrong and require some poking to get to it.

A few times it got stuck in thinking loops and I had to cancel prompts.

This was using the recommended settings from the unsloth repository. It's always possible that there are some bugs in early implementations that need to be fixed later, but so far I don't see any reason to believe this is actually a Sonnet 4.5 level model.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by margalabargala on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:59PM (#46877225)
Wonder where it falls on the Sonnet 3.7/4.0/4.5 continuum.

3.7 was not all that great. 4 was decent for specific things, especially self contained stuff like tests, but couldn't do a good job with more complex work. 4.5 is now excellent at many things.

If it's around the perf of 3.7, that's interesting but not amazing. If it's around 4, that's useful.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by Computer0 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @08:50PM (#46880356)
I still have yet to find a "Small" model that can use function calls consistently enough to not be frustrating. That is the most noticeable difference I consistently see between even older "SOTA" models and the best performing "SMALL" models (<70b).
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by Kostic on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:53PM (#46877142)
I would not go below q8 if comparing to sonnet.
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by anon373839 on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @07:30AM (#46885054)
Yeah. Q2 in any model is just severely damaged, unfortunately. Wish it weren’t so.
Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by cubefox on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:58PM (#46877211)
> I experimented with the Q2 and Q4 quants.

Of course you get degraded performance with this.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by Aurornis on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @05:40PM (#46878398)
Obviously. That's why I led with that statement.

Those are the quant thresholds where people with mid-high end hardware can run this locally at reasonable speed, though.

In my experience Q2 is flakey, but Q4 isn't dramatically worse.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by cubefox on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @04:48AM (#46883733)
> Obviously. That's why I led with that statement.

Then why did you write this?

> It's always possible that there are some bugs in early implementations that need to be fixed later, but so far I don't see any reason to believe this is actually a Sonnet 4.5 level model.

Re:Qwen3-Coder-Next by cmrdporcupine on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @04:51PM (#46877829)
It feels more like Haiku level than Sonnet 4.5 from my playing with it.