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Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by renewiltord on Monday February 02, 2026 @08:37PM (#46865147)
Lots of society is like this. For example, red lights. I run them all the time and nothing happens. You just have to pay attention. It's why the police won't ticket you in SF. It doesn't matter. If anyone else complains you just yell "Am I being detained" a few times and then hit the accelerator. Teslas are fast. They can't catch you.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by rPlayer6554 on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:59PM (#46865879)
Another pro tip is to not pay at restaurants. If you can leave the restaurant fast enough before they give you the bill, they must have forgotten to charge you and sucks for them! The trick is not to bring bags so you can fake a trip to the toilet!
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by Yiin on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:17PM (#46866006)
if you're not joking, actions like these are why we can't have nice things in society, it's cancerous behavior and just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by cwnyth on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:46PM (#46866206)
I think the two comments above yours are poking fun at the guy who is committing a felony by lying to federal agents. They're just making it obvious what he's doing is really shitty, anti-social behavior.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by caseysoftware on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:05PM (#46866350)
You are grossly misinformed and making an assumption.

You're thinking of being interviewed by a Federal agent. At no point are you being interviewed at a TSA checkpoint. Generally, they have two agents present for that so they can act as witnesses for each other. The FBI specifically uses the 302 for such an interview. Can you cite the relavant US Code here? I can.

Further, you're assuming I'm lying.

As someone who was present (in the room) as DHS was being formed and witnessed the negotiations around the TSA, the "really shitty, anti-social behavior" is sharing misinformation.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by zoklet-enjoyer on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:57PM (#46866300)
Lying to TSA and other government representatives is patriotic
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by seg_lol on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:25AM (#46867269)
This is a scam that the GOP has convinced many of, that taking from the government commons is the right thing to do. But the GOP is the embodiment of a low trust society. I'd rather live in a high trust society.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by caseysoftware on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @08:24AM (#46870672)
> This is a scam that the GOP has convinced many of, that taking from the government commons is the right thing to do.

You should look around carefully and see who is actively defending government fraud right now.

If you're honest, you may be shocked.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by seg_lol on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @08:51AM (#46870967)
Please make your point without lurking in the shadows.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by int_19h on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @08:18PM (#46880079)
I'd also rather live in a high trust society, but that's impossible with the government that we have (and it's not just Trump, although he has certainly turned our slow creep towards authoritarianism into a speedrun).
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by seg_lol on Friday February 06, 2026 @01:00AM (#46909623)
I realized that the GOP has been taking advantage of weaknesses in high trust society. This is an easy thing for fascism to do. So while I want to live in one, they aren't stable and must be protected.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by Ms-J on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:17AM (#46868096)
Exactly. It gets you your freedom back, enables you to what you need to, and undercuts the illegitimate governments authority - all in one!

A major win for the people.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by hackyhacky on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:26PM (#46866072)
"Obeying the law, no matter how pointless, wasteful, or destructive, is a virtue."

Does it make you feel good to participate in a meaningless charade of security theater? Or would you rather spend your time doing some of value?

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by lmm on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:21AM (#46867241)
> Does it make you feel good to participate in a meaningless charade of security theater? Or would you rather spend your time doing some of value?

I think there is a lot of value in being part of a democratic society that has structured dispute-resolution processes. Part of the cost of that is occasionally going along with something pointless (even if some things warrant civil disobedience, not everything does), and that's a vital democratic responsibility. So yes, I do feel good doing that - the same kind of good I feel when I pick up someone else's litter or give up my time for jury service. If anything, going along with a law you disagree with is harder, and more virtuous, than those.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by cucumber3732842 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @10:09AM (#46871905)
So "Just don't be gay/smoke weed, it's not legal, if you don't like it there's a process to get that changed" is the kind of viewpoint that's compatible with your ideology then?

Law in a democracy ALWAYS lags public sentiment because without sentiment to pander to no politician will lift a finger. Overt sentiment always lags behind closed doors sentiment because practically nobody is gonna display overt sentiment until there's some indication from their experience that support for their sentiment is there. There MUST be room for petty noncompliance to let people discover that the noncompliance in some unknown case is perhaps not bad in order to kick start the process.

People like you are actively working to prevent and delay alignment between the people and the government/laws. If everyone subscribed to your ideology nothing would ever get done. If more people subscribed to it then things would change slower than they do.

You can tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night but this sort of compliance as a virtue ideology you subscribe to is the evil that keeps our democracies from delivering good results promptly. I'm not saying go murder your neighbor because "fuck the law" or whatever, but an ideology that does not permit for deviance when such deviance is tasteful is a bad one.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by lux-lux-lux on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:53PM (#46875465)
> Law in a democracy ALWAYS lags public sentiment because without sentiment to pander to no politician will lift a finger

Not always, just the last few decades.

Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1431/

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by lmm on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @07:59PM (#46879903)
> So "Just don't be gay/smoke weed, it's not legal, if you don't like it there's a process to get that changed" is the kind of viewpoint that's compatible with your ideology then?

Sure (although I don't think there's ever been a law against being gay, only against particular acts).

> There MUST be room for petty noncompliance to let people discover that the noncompliance in some unknown case is perhaps not bad in order to kick start the process.

Petty noncompliance isn't the only source of information, and even if it was, that doesn't negate the cost to society.

> People like you are actively working to prevent and delay alignment between the people and the government/laws. If everyone subscribed to your ideology nothing would ever get done. If more people subscribed to it then things would change slower than they do.

So the wild swings of public opinion will be tempered somewhat, and society's path will be smoothed. Yes, that's the point. Same spirit as having a constitution and a second chamber rather than making everything run on a simple majority.

> I'm not saying go murder your neighbor because "fuck the law" or whatever

But you are. That's where your ideology leads once people start following it in practice.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by throwup238 on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:51PM (#46865823)
What if the police department has Teslas?
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by RajT88 on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:17PM (#46865534)
Quite a modest proposal.