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Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by piva00 on Thursday January 29, 2026 @03:05AM (#46807166)
It's actually bizarre how seemingly nothing impacts $TSLA: profits down 46%, revenue down 3%, cutting successful product lines that used to sell quite a bit, a massively failed product in the Cybertruck, FSD promises still unfulfilled, and on top of all that US$ 2 billion siphoned away to another unrelated company.

With all of that, the stock closed upwards on the after market hours. Perhaps only Musk's death could cause it to tank, would have never expected to see a cult of personality being run on the top of S&P 500 market caps, what a strange world...

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday January 29, 2026 @05:17AM (#46808124)
It’s being valued on the hope that they will crack full self driving. People still believe they will crack it.
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by cedws on Thursday January 29, 2026 @06:30AM (#46808776)
Meanwhile Waymo has actually cracked self driving, and is operating a fleet of taxis. Tesla said they were going to do this at least as far back as like 2018, and still aren’t.

They’re being beaten on every front.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by dmix on Thursday January 29, 2026 @09:20AM (#46810538)
> Tesla said they were going to do this at least as far back as like 2018, and still aren’t.

Tesla Robotaxis are fully operating in Austin since November and they are running a pilot in San Francisco with safety drivers?

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-opens-robotaxi-access-to-eve...

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by cedws on Thursday January 29, 2026 @10:31AM (#46811508)
Seems I was wrong. However, the Robotaxi fleet is still tiny compared to Waymo's. Jalopnik said the fleet was only 34 cars as of EOY 2025[0]. Waymo had over 2,000 as of September 2025[1].

[0]: https://www.jalopnik.com/2063124/tesla-austin-robotaxi-fleet...

[1]: https://www.automotiveworld.com/articles/waymo-confirms-flee...

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by joquarky on Thursday January 29, 2026 @04:10PM (#46816628)
Elsewhere in this discussion someone pointed out that each Tesla robotaxi in Austin is being directly followed by a supervisor in another car. That resource constraint could explain the low number.
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by dmix on Thursday January 29, 2026 @08:51PM (#46819648)
I looked it up and two articles sourced a twitter video of an Tesla fanboy influencer claiming a chase car was following his taxi https://x.com/JoeTegtmeyer/status/2014410572226322794
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by dmix on Thursday January 29, 2026 @08:48PM (#46819629)
The website that is sourced from

https://robotaxitracker.com/

176 tracked Tesla Robotaxis vs 51 tracked Waymos in SF, with 1000 claimed SF fleet size by Waymo

90 tracked Tesla vs 134 tracked Waymo in Austin.

They claim their data is incomplete and uses indirect app tracking to guess the numbers

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by brightball on Thursday January 29, 2026 @05:24AM (#46808171)
Have you tried FSD on a HW4 model recently?
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by Deklomalo on Thursday January 29, 2026 @05:39AM (#46808282)
And?

FSD is good in video, given. But its not full self driving as it still requires you to keep an eye on it.

Real FSD for me at least, means I can sit in a 'car' open a laptop and work. But honestly working with a laptop in a car makes it dangerous when driving fast.

For my work commute, I don't need a FSD. For my holiday also not.

What I want is real and save FSD something which has proofen on the road that it is really really good.

We are far away from this. 5 years minimum if not 10. And while Tesla is playing around with FSD and putting it now behind a subscription and fooled everyone with the promise of FSD with HW3 and below, it will not suddenly make Tesla the single leader in FSD at all.

Waymo is working on it, Xpeng can do it, BMW, Mercedes and Nvidia.

For Cybertaxies alone you need a lot of infrastructure (parking spots), cleaning crew, management software etc. you need the legal framework to be allowed to drive them (not going to happen anytime soon in europe) and then you only compete with normal taxis and uber.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by FeloniousHam on Thursday January 29, 2026 @08:39AM (#46810049)
> Real FSD for me at least, means I can sit in a 'car' open a laptop and work.

Sure. Meanwhile, I'm literally using FSD 90% of the miles driven in my Y (the last update added a counter). I can appreciate a non-existant better product as much as the next guy, but as it is my daily commute is vastly improved.

FSD isn't perfect (probably about 90%!), but it's everyday amazing and useful.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by Deklomalo on Thursday January 29, 2026 @09:22AM (#46810555)
And for what exactly? What did it do to your commute? how long do you commute?

What do you do know why sitting in front of your stearing wheel?

I listen to music and audibooks and I would not have a device between me and the airbag.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by brightball on Thursday January 29, 2026 @12:55PM (#46813746)
Yep. If anything the only complaint is that it can be “too safe” when I might personally be more aggressive making a turn for example.

Last time I went 5 hours to Raleigh and back I let it drive door to door and it was incredible.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by slfnflctd on Thursday January 29, 2026 @09:19AM (#46810520)
> open a laptop and work

I'm still convinced we are going to need dedicated roads - or lanes at the very least - and dedicated parking/waiting areas for this to be feasible on a truly large scale.

However, it may be easier than we think-- they've already done something like this for rideshare drivers in many places, and it wouldn't necessarily need to be much more complicated than that.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by piva00 on Thursday January 29, 2026 @03:53PM (#46816426)
Just build trains at that point, I use my laptop for work all the time when riding for a few hours. It has its dedicated lane, can travel at 220km/h, and it's a much smoother ride than any pothole'd American road.
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by Tiktaalik on Thursday January 29, 2026 @10:57PM (#46820369)
what does it matter? Who is going to drive a nazi cab when you can take a Waymo?

Beyond that the fact that both Google and Rivian are so sure LIDAR is critical it suggests that the LIDAR-less solution is unsafe and kept afloat by musk hype and neutered USA regulators.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by brightball on Friday January 30, 2026 @05:22AM (#46822689)
The safety numbers do not reflect that.

https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by johnthewise on Thursday January 29, 2026 @05:32AM (#46808233)
It's more of a bet on the optimus
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by cedws on Thursday January 29, 2026 @06:34AM (#46808832)
Optimus looks like a joke compared to the robots China has developed like Unitree.
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by piva00 on Thursday January 29, 2026 @09:11AM (#46810430)
Isn't that an issue as well? It's always a bet on the next promised land which never arrives, the goalposts change but the stock never takes a hit from undelivered promises, it's bonkers.
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday January 29, 2026 @08:32PM (#46819531)
Same same. What are they going to build? An AI bot or a bot controlled by a human?

AI bot of course. Assuming it can move fast enough and is powerful enough, won’t work without competent AI.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by KptMarchewa on Thursday January 29, 2026 @06:44AM (#46808909)
Once they actually start bleeding money they will go down.
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by HWR_14 on Thursday January 29, 2026 @07:24AM (#46809231)
> would have never expected to see a cult of personality being run on the top of S&P 500 market caps,

Steve Jobs had a cult of personality as well. Of course Apple had financial reasons to support its valuation when he was leading it in the 2000s

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by piva00 on Thursday January 29, 2026 @09:13AM (#46810452)
But Apple under Steve Jobs had all the financial numbers to support it, it wasn't valued solely on Steve Jobs' personality, the products were there, and being loved by consumers. Revenue wasn't dipping while the stock was going up, revenue, market share, profits were consistently on the rise.
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by Balinares on Thursday January 29, 2026 @07:42AM (#46809419)
I think it was the FT that observed about a year ago that even as institutional investors were pulling away from US equities, retail investors (redditors, if you will) were filling in the gap quite enthusiastically. (You know, "Buy the dip!! " and brethren.)

I don't know to what extent that's still the case. But someone always ends up with the hot potato no matter what.

Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by sekai on Thursday January 29, 2026 @07:51AM (#46809510)
The most successful meme stock in history, all driven by - "coming soon"
Re:Tesla ending Models S and X production by ActorNightly on Thursday January 29, 2026 @08:09AM (#46809722)
Its not bizzare. Retail investors can no longer compete with big banks, who pretty much set the stock price. Elon solidified this with DOGE by removing oversight of such things.

At this point, investing is exacly like playing slots at casino.