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Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by mgkimsal on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:29PM (#4678700)
Total western white-male stereotype-infused ignorance here but...

Perhaps people avoid muslim women because we don't want them to get in to trouble. I'm surprised to see women dressed like that out in public on their own, because I've been led to believe they need male escorts, and assume that one might be around. if I make eye-contact, I might be contributing to an honor-killing, or perhaps some acid-splashed on her face.

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by rickdale on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:36PM (#4678716)
When I was in high school I used to hang out with some of the muslim girls and we would do elicit high school things ie smoking pot. Interestingly enough I am a Jew, one generation away from Israel. Anyways, definitely got approached multiple times by muslim dudes telling me I needed to stop being a bad influence on their culture. I always laughed it off. Soon after one of the girls stopped wearing her scarf, everyone realized she was a knock-out, and then I would say the majority of the girls followed. I could really sense them striving for identity and its why I liked hanging out with them.

I want to be clear I never had a problem with any of the dudes beyond a conversation. I think they were confused too because they wanted to defend their culture, but really had no moral objections.

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by ceejayoz on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:32PM (#4678709)
> I'm surprised to see women dressed like that out in public on their own, because I've been led to believe they need male escorts, and assume that one might be around.

That's a very, very small subset of hijab wearers, and you're unlikely to see any of them at a Western mall.

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by mgkimsal on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:35PM (#4678714)
Possibly, but how can I be sure? Really not trolling at all, but trying to make any assumptions about what's 'safe' in situations where someone's life may be at stake, I err on the side of caution.
Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by ignignokt on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:37PM (#4678728)
Don't you think that your thinking that she might be killed for you looking at her is prejudicial against Muslim men? Seems offensive to me if you won't look at someone because you assume a man will kill her for it...

Do you not look at all women because they might have insanely jealous boyfriends who will then kill them for that too, hey it's technically possible right, so you should err on the side of caution?

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by mgkimsal on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:52PM (#4678771)
I tend not to. Yes some may have insanely jealous boyfriends, but it's harder to tell in the absence of visual clues. Typical muslim garb is a signal which does tend to stand out in some circles, and that's one of the things I infer.

No, I don't think every time I look at a woman in a hijab she will be killed, but it does come in to the back of my mind more often than it does when seeing other women in local shops/stores/malls.

Is it prejudicial, as in pre-judging? Yes. People wearing certain types of garb send out signals intended to portray specific meaning. Sometimes extra meanings they didn't intend are also inferred.

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by ceejayoz on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:49PM (#4678760)
How can you be sure they're not part of a fringe cult that doesn't require head coverings but still kills people for making eye contact?
Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by mgkimsal on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:55PM (#4678781)
30+ years of experience has given me enough confidence that the chance of that happening is pretty low. Honor killings and female mutilation is statistically higher than non-head-covering eye-contact-killings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_Sta...

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by ignignokt on Saturday October 20, 2012 @11:09PM (#4678823)
I'd be astounded to actually see a case of an honour killing which was caused by fleeting eye contact, none of the ones in that article are, why not just treat them the same as you would anyone else?
Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by ceejayoz on Sunday October 21, 2012 @12:56PM (#4680064)
> Honor killings and female mutilation is statistically higher than non-head-covering eye-contact-killings.

Women who wear head scarves while being perfectly happy to make eye contact are statistically higher than both, by a huge margin.

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by ninetax on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:40PM (#4678734)
Who led you to believe that?

Many American-Muslim women wear a hijab by choice and are very friendly/social people who would be glad to interact with others.

There is a difference between culture and religion. A person who practices Islam in America might have entirely different cultural customs than a person who practices Islam in Afghanistan. (i. e. male escorts, eye contact, etc)

Please don't rely on FUD to inform your opinions/prejudices/judgments. And when in doubt ask.

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by mgkimsal on Saturday October 20, 2012 @11:00PM (#4678799)
To the extent they're in the US, they may have been westernized to some extent, and yes culture and religion can be separated, but again, my understanding of the culture is that women are not as free/liberated/equal as men.

Posted elsewhere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_Sta...

Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by coopdog on Saturday October 20, 2012 @10:42PM (#4678746)
It's true. Is it so strange that people would be nervous around a culture where even drawing a picture can get you in trouble? People who know that they don't know enough about the culture are probably right to be cautious until they can learn more
Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by icebraining on Saturday October 20, 2012 @11:13PM (#4678830)
Yes, I'm thankful I don't live in such culture: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/obscene-us-manga-co...
Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by Evbn on Saturday October 20, 2012 @11:01PM (#4678801)
It is pretty easy to get punched by a white guy by talking to a girl in a bar in the US, where there will never be a religious Muslim.
Re:I went to the mall, and a little girl called me a terrorist. by gtech on Saturday October 20, 2012 @11:19PM (#4678848)
Have you or a friend ever been hit? I can say from personal experience approaching thousands of girls with guys nearby that it's actually pretty hard to get into a fight. I think this is an urban myth predicated on the fact that most guys don't make the move very often.