Please respond to the strongest interpretation of posts. You know what I'm saying, and you know you're arguing with rhetoric formed to ignore what I'm saying. What is the point of this? Are you saying that it's not possible for an agent in a scuffle to believe, for a moment, that the man on the ground got his arm free from other agents whom he cannot fully see?

I understand you are angry at the footage, and you want to believe that the ICE agent is ontologically evil, and he executed a guy for no reason at all out of the blue, but it's probably more likely that he panicked at something in the moment. That doesn't make it acceptable, but we should try to understand the truth of events even if we are mad.

Why do you think it’s so important to get in this guy’s head, and to give him this graceful excuse of “maybe he just panicked?”

Obviously someone panicked. We can clearly see they did not line them up and actually shoot them with a firing squad.

But what is the point of this thought exercise? Where does it lead? To more “training” for the agents?

The whole thing is illegitimate and immoral. There is no need to engage with what was going on in the guy’s head. We are way, way too far past that point.

> Why do you think it’s so important to get in this guy’s head, and to give him this graceful excuse of “maybe he just panicked?”

It's not an excuse, it's an explanation. By all means throw the book at him for murder or whatever. I think it's important because understanding why things happen is important to stop them from happening. If you just stop at "they're evil murderers" then your options for fixing that are very limited.

> But what is the point of this thought exercise? Where does it lead? To more “training” for the agents?

Yes, at the very least.

The lesson is that when everyone is armed, people get shot. But 2A is more important than that here, so there are no more lessons to learn.

So far, it appears that the killer will not be investigated, much less prosecuted. This is how you start civil wars.

I'm responding to your earlier post, claiming that the victim indeed did put his hands on his gun. I ask you again, provide that evidence that you claim to have seen in the video.

The strongest interpretation of your posts is that you know exactly what you're doing, because you've done it multiple [1] times [2] now [3].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46559763

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46536148

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515813

Please see my bio. I support ICE in principal, though not in current practice. This isn't a secret or shameful to me. If we can't have a dialogue about how to deport illegal immigrants safely, and how to get from here to a working deportation system, and the only two options are to abolish ICE or the current situation, I fear abolishing ICE is not going to be what happens. That isn't really what anyone wants. The first step to fixing what's going wrong is to understand the failure mode. The failure mode is not in most cases "they executed him because they are evil murderers".

> "they executed him because they are evil murderers"

This does appear to be the case, same with Good

You seem to think this is a failure mode and not the system working as intended. I encourage you to read some Stephen Miller posts. Dead liberals is a nice bonus to them.