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Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tptacek on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:06PM (#4665059)
You'd think maybe posting photos of minors without their consent might also have been a rule to prevent long-standing issues. But, no?
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by Goronmon on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:18PM (#4665123)
You'd think maybe posting photos of minors without their consent might also have been a rule to prevent long-standing issues. But, no?

What is the long-standing issue that you would be preventing though? It's creepy and wrong to be sure, but say banning a specific subreddit with that content, what is the result of that action?

With doxxing you have documented cases of people being harassed based on people finding out their true identity. So banning doxxing helps to prevent situations where people are harassed outside of the site for the things they do on the site.

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tzs on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @04:57PM (#4666405)
> With doxxing you have documented cases of people being harassed based on people finding out their true identity. So banning doxxing helps to prevent situations where people are harassed outside of the site for the things they do on the site.

And banning posting candid sexually suggestive photos of kids helps to prevent the subjects of the photos from getting harassed at school when someone finds the photos online. I don't see why that should be any less important than trying to prevent harassment of people who take and post those photos.

At least the person who gets harassed over posting the photos is getting harassed for something he actually deliberately did, whereas the kid might be getting harassed for accidentally showing some cleavage or some underwear. Or maybe it is ultimately the kid's fault for not dressing like a Saudi woman when in public.

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tptacek on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:20PM (#4665144)
Interrogate the assertion that those photos are "creepy and wrong". Why are they creepy and wrong? I think you'll find the answer to your question in there.
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by Goronmon on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:27PM (#4665183)
Interrogate the assertion that those photos are "creepy and wrong". Why are they creepy and wrong? I think you'll find the answer to your question in there.

Or you could just answer my question.

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by fosap on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:33PM (#4665227)
Thinks that you don't like are creepy. Browsing photos on facebook is creepy. Watching anime is creepy. Two males kissing or merely being gay is creepy. Why would anybody give a fuck if you think something is creepy?
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tptacek on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:50PM (#4665312)
No, that's not my argument. The creepiness of these particular photos was his assertion, and I suggested that he interrogate his assertion about why they were creepy (and "wrong") to help see why these photos are in particular problematic.

I was specifically not litigating the enforceability of "creepiness" standards.

For what it's worth: Watching anime isn't creepy. Two males kissing isn't creepy.

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by fosap on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @01:08PM (#4665410)
Ah, ok, my bad. But. Watching anime and two males kissing is definitively creepy. Ask any high schooler.
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tptacek on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @01:12PM (#4665434)
I agree that this is a good illustration of why "creepiness" isn't a moral or practical standard.
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by fosap on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:30PM (#4665206)
No, i don't see why. It is a long standing rule that posting photos about Scientology without their consent is ok.

I don't what sense this rule would would make. As long as nobody can google it (since no name) no one is hurt. So what?

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tptacek on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:32PM (#4665215)
I don't understand the equivalence between Scientologists and minors.
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by fosap on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:34PM (#4665239)
There is no difference. It's ok to posts photos without consent or it is not. Or tell me where you draw the line.

/edit

Or why the consent of a random 17 year old girl has more value that the consent of a random 20 year old guy working at a random CoS org.

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by danielweber on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @01:24PM (#4665517)
People have suggested various rules:

- no sexual comments

- no kids

- no candid shots (where the subject is clearly not aware of the picture)

There's plenty of lines that could be drawn there. Various people have played stupid that no combination of these rules simply couldn't work, but this isn't a brand new problem no one has wondered about before.

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tptacek on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:53PM (#4665333)
I am drawing the line at compromising (sexualized, objectified, or deliberately embarrassing) photos of minors.

So again, I don't see the equivalence.

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by fosap on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @01:15PM (#4665460)
What is compromising? Photos of feet? Completely harmless to most people, for some better than tits. There is also a hair fetish. And probably there are a way more. Only post pictures of people wearing burkas?
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by danielweber on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @01:25PM (#4665519)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki%27s_Wager

(boy it's hard to post a URL with a ' in it)

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by fosap on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @01:40PM (#4665604)
So, what does this tells us about photos of feet?
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tptacek on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @01:42PM (#4665618)
Photos of feet are fine.
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by xxpor on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:22PM (#4665154)
I don't know what these pictures were like because I had never been on creepshots, but if they were taken in public, there isn't really anything (legally) wrong with them.

People in public spaces can be photographed without their consent. That's a very clear rule, at least in the US. See: http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by tptacek on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @12:24PM (#4665169)
The lawfulness of those photos has been disputed. But either way, posting the name, phone number, and employer of someone posting photos to Reddit is also not against the law.
Re:Reddit will not ban 'distasteful' content, chief executiv... by sentenza on Wednesday October 17, 2012 @03:31PM (#4666034)
So public humiliation in the form of an online-pillory is OK?

Because that is exactly what this is. A platform for the public humiliation of women who walk in public.

If we don't tolerate it for the guilty, why should we tolerate it for the innocent?