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Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by cedws on Saturday January 10, 2026 @05:38PM (#46570634)
Nobody voted for this.

I'm pretty cynical about both the current and previous government, but it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back. There was chatter but it was met with resistance. Now it feels like the discussion is being squashed and there are invisible forces at work.

If by some miracle the UK and EU agree on a new Youth Mobility Scheme I'm out of here.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by michaelt on Saturday January 10, 2026 @06:15PM (#46570941)
> it feels like there's been a shift since Labour came into power. Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back.

I had hoped Labour would roll back the anti-protest legislation, snooper's charter, internet censorship and voter ID laws.

After all, it was mostly left-wing climate protesters getting arrested, and young (more left-leaning) voters being prevented from voting.

Turns out no, quite the opposite - if anything, Labour thinks these laws didn't go far enough.

With hindsight, it was naive of me to think the former Director of Public Prosecutions would share my scepticism about expanding the powers of the system the Director of Public Prosecutions stands at the head of.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by cedws on Saturday January 10, 2026 @09:05PM (#46572050)
My hope was that Labour would seize the opportunity and roll back the unpopular Tory policies too. It would've been easy points to score for the next general election. Instead, as you say, they just continued with and extended them.
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by Ylpertnodi on Sunday January 11, 2026 @09:36AM (#46576095)
People still believe the faces on the telly ate in charge.
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by DANmode on Sunday January 11, 2026 @12:26PM (#46577620)
So who pressured them?
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by like_any_other on Saturday January 10, 2026 @09:44PM (#46572228)
> Turns out no, quite the opposite - if anything, Labour thinks these laws didn't go far enough.

That's basically how the news, including the BBC, tend to report on these laws. "Some think they are good. Others think they don't go far enough. Experts say risk remains." Never ever do they interview the EFF.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by Uzomidy on Sunday January 11, 2026 @03:30AM (#46573719)
The BBC was always pretty establishment, but now they're very afraid of seeming “left wing”, and so we get this…
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by stuaxo on Sunday January 11, 2026 @05:07AM (#46574174)
Since Cameron threatened them, they have been much more tightly under the central gov influence.

The editorial team for news has always been full of Tories (including some that either have tried running as MPs, were in the young conservatives etc).

When the left complains about the BBC they mean its news and political coverage.

The right doesn't like the diversity in its comedy shows.

These are two pretty different concerns.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by dmitrygr on Saturday January 10, 2026 @10:37PM (#46572493)
> After all, it was mostly left-wing climate protesters getting arrested, and young (more left-leaning) voters being prevented from voting

Quite a mistake to think politicians would act to better anyone's lives, including those who helped elect them.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by stuaxo on Sunday January 11, 2026 @05:08AM (#46574176)
Labour purged pretty much everyone on the left.
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by weebull on Sunday January 11, 2026 @05:41AM (#46574347)
As Blair got most institutionalised to the world of politics he became more and more authoritarian. Starmer appears to be listening to Blair who is now even worse than he was as PM.

Labour generally has a "paternalistic authoritarianism" to they way they govern, but this is dialed to 11.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by pipes on Sunday January 11, 2026 @05:51AM (#46574403)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Taking-Liberties-Chris-Atkins/dp/19...

Read this around 2007ish, shocked by what the previous labour government did, so I had zero hope this lot would be any different and it's worse than I thought possible.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by JCattheATM on Saturday January 10, 2026 @07:04PM (#46571298)
> Now it feels like the discussion is being squashed and there are invisible forces at work.

Hanlon's razor applies here. The truth is most people simply don't care because they don't understand, and don't care to understand.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by HPsquared on Saturday January 10, 2026 @07:26PM (#46571442)
Policymaking in general has very little to do with what most people want. It's mostly a function of power structures and influence networks.

You can sometimes infer what's going on from looking at the before and after conditions, much like how particle physicists infer events from what particles flew out, but not seeing the event itself.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by ThePowerOfFuet on Saturday January 10, 2026 @05:45PM (#46570704)
>If by some miracle the UK and EU agree on a new Youth Mobility Scheme I'm out of here.

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asy...

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by movedx on Saturday January 10, 2026 @06:38PM (#46571111)
UK isn’t an EU member state.
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by monooso on Saturday January 10, 2026 @06:54PM (#46571214)
That's the entire point of the EU Blue Card. From the linked website (emphasis mine):

> An EU Blue Card gives highly-qualified workers from outside the EU the opportunity to live and work in an EU Member State...

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by cedws on Saturday January 10, 2026 @09:03PM (#46572041)
Thank you, I'll look into it.
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by Tepix on Sunday January 11, 2026 @01:46AM (#46573240)
> Historically this overbearing surveillance has been held back.

That‘s not my impression at all about the UK. They are known for mass CCTV surveillance since more than a decade. There’s even a wikipedia page for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite...

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by Flere-Imsaho on Sunday January 11, 2026 @03:20AM (#46573676)
There's a difference between filming the public in public-spaces (which is what the mass CCTV surveillance does) and reading everyone's private messages and every image uploaded from their devices. This is a step chance (if it goes ahead) and doesn't feel very different from what the Chinese State is doing to its citizens.
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by Tepix on Sunday January 11, 2026 @06:26AM (#46574654)
I agree. But I'm saying is that the current mass surveillance is already overreaching as-is.
Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by happymellon on Monday January 12, 2026 @12:42PM (#46591715)
You refer to CCTV for state mass surveillance, and link to Wikipedia pages but it doesn't appear that you even read them.

> The vast majority of CCTV cameras are not operated by government bodies, but by private individuals or companies, especially to monitor the interiors of shops and businesses. According to 2011 Freedom of Information Act requests, the total number of local government operated CCTV cameras was around 52,000 over the entirety of the UK.

The NYPD alone had 18k back in 2018.

https://securitytoday.com/articles/2018/10/29/new-surveillan...

That doesn't make the UK appear to be monitored heavier than other locations when a single city in the US approaches half their total number of cameras.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by happymellon on Monday January 12, 2026 @12:30PM (#46591567)
> There’s even a wikipedia page for it

There is a Wikipedia page on surveillance in Austria, and the US. Not sure what your point is, it's not like most of the west isn't under surveillance or that the UK is more monitored than other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite...

Or are you implying that Germany doesn't have any surveillance because it doesn't have a dedicated English Wikipedia page?

There is a lot of rhetoric aimed at the UK, and I'm not saying it's great, but there is a lot of convenient omission on other countries actions.

Re:UK Orders Ofcom to Explore Encryption Backdoors by hulitu on Sunday January 11, 2026 @10:53AM (#46576770)
> Nobody voted for this.

Lol. That's how democracy (doesn't) works. The elected people only care about the wishes of the NGO that pushed them in power.

Better luck next time.