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Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by fph on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:09PM (#46556959)
Hardware tokens are not allowed in Europe to authorize certain operations such as bank transfers: you need a device that can show the operation you are about to authorize ("enter 123456 to confirm your payment of 99.99 € to Pornhub"). And that essentially means using a phone.
Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by finaard on Friday January 09, 2026 @04:00PM (#46559253)
I'm in Europe, and some of my banks still operate with a token just showing numbers, while others use devices with QR code readers and a colour display which then can show transaction details.

They don't really like you using that and keep annoying you to stop doing that, but I don't think they'll fully get rid of that - those are filling some accessibility niches as well.

Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by layer8 on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:22PM (#46557132)
Maybe it’s country-specific, but most banks I know support a card reader or photoTAN device. You don’t need to use a phone.
Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by fph on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:29PM (#46557228)
I don't think card readers can display payment information, can they?

And I have no idea why, but no bank offers photoTAN devices in my country. They seem like an interesting concept, even though I imagine the underlying hardware isn't far from that of a phone, in the end.

Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by sdl on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:17PM (#46557917)
Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by layer8 on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:54PM (#46557564)
The card readers have an LCD display that shows the information.
Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by fph on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:10PM (#46557796)
How do they get this information in the first place, though? Do they have a QR code reader?
Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by sdl on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:25PM (#46558028)
Yes, in that case it's often called Photo-TAN or QR-TAN. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaction_authentication_num...

Previously there were also so called "flicker TAN" approaches: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transaktionsnummer#chipTAN_com...

Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by rsync on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:32PM (#46558120)
Is this true?

The old, standard RSA number generator token key ring device is not permitted in Europe for authorizing bank actions ?

Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by fph on Friday January 09, 2026 @02:50PM (#46558376)
Precisely. You can use and old-style hardware token that only generates numbers to log in, but not to authorize an operation such as a money transfer.

The requirement is called "dynamic linking" (the 2FA code must be tied to the specific transaction) and the relevant regulation is PSD2.

Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by miahi on Friday January 09, 2026 @05:20PM (#46560231)
There are "simple" hardware tokens that allow for that - you have to enter the amount and part of the destination IBAN and they generate a 2FA number based on that + probably the same number generator it uses for logins.
Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by WhyNotHugo on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:47PM (#46557477)
I’ve seen dedicated hardware devices which scan a QR-like code and show this in a little screen of their own. The bank provides them and does not require any app.

I only know of a single bank using this.

Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by SkySkimmer on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:58PM (#46557630)
>I only know of a single bank using this.

If it's not Crédit Mutuel then you now know of a second bank using this method.

Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by rzr on Saturday January 10, 2026 @06:46PM (#46571160)
I am interested too, my fallback bank trapped me (or my courage to resist), the fallback of fallback would be crypto but i am not sure i want to depend on this too...

Meanwhile, the last hope is that people will use more cash (if the digital world is too hostile, oh wait it is!)

Re:The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from usin... by guax on Friday January 09, 2026 @05:30PM (#46560351)
I am in europe and my bank issued me a hardware token I still need to use from time to time.