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Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by tomaytotomato on Friday January 09, 2026 @04:30AM (#46551825)
Maybe the EU can develop its own version of Linux OS, just like North Korea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS

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When legislators start getting involved they will want to inevitably have their "own" version of something and their own SLAs and contracts.

The reason they went with Microsoft/IBM/Oracle and others back in the day for software solutions is; they know on a piece of paper what they are getting, and who they can blame if they don't get it.

With Opensource OS and software, even with auditing and stuff, there is no way to blame anyone apart from end-users. For politicians and bureacracts, that is a scary thing, as they will be the ones to blame (read: asses on the line)

The consultation is great and all but

As someone who has watched on the sidelines how Opensource governance turns projects into hydra monsters (Redhat, Jakarta EE). I wouldn't be surprised in a few years we will have a EU approved OS that is controlled by bureaucracts.

But who knows, maybe they will just become end users of a popular distro and other opensource software.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by supermatt on Friday January 09, 2026 @04:59AM (#46552049)
Finland (where Linux comes from) is in the EU. There are also a few European linux distributions you may have heard of: e.g. Debian, SUSE, Ubuntu (UK), Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia, Knoppix, etc.
Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by RobotToaster on Friday January 09, 2026 @05:45AM (#46552385)
> Ubuntu (UK)

This is an EU initiative, Ubuntu probably isn't included.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by u8080 on Friday January 09, 2026 @12:05PM (#46556027)
How is Linux related to Finland? Just because some of early contributors was born in Finland?
Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by supermatt on Friday January 09, 2026 @12:50PM (#46556671)
It was literally created by Torvalds (a Finn) while at the university of Helsinki (in Finland).
Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by u8080 on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:07PM (#46556924)
I am not claiming "invention", my whole point here is that place of origin means nothing, especially for a FOSS project - despite Linus being important part of it.

If we talk about OS being independent from US, the culprit is where does control(both in terms of technology and legislation) comes from. Main contributors are US companies(technological control) while Linus is obligated to comply to US laws and decisions as US citizen.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by supermatt on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:28PM (#46557213)
Active kernel contributors are spread all around the world, with a pretty even distribution across USA, Western Europe and Asia.

Your suggestion that the US government would lean on the citizenship of Torvalds in order to exert control over the kernel should be laughable but I concede that anything is possible these days.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by u8080 on Friday January 09, 2026 @01:54PM (#46557570)
It is not laughable, Linux directly complies with SDN list[1] and US sanction policy(i.e. removing of russian developers by Linus). Thus, US does have and execute control over Linux kernel currently.

[1] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/navigating-global-regul...

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by supermatt on Saturday January 10, 2026 @01:16PM (#46568355)
I think you have some confusion about the role of the Linux Foundation in relation to the kernel. They provide financial, organisational, and infrastructural support and neither own nor control its development.

Linus is the BDFL and lead maintainer and if he wanted to move the kernel development anywhere else he could do so, but Linus Torvalds has stated that he personally agrees with them.

That is not the US controlling him, it is his own decision. Moreover he has dual citizenship and could renounce his US citizenship if he chose. When Greg takes over maintainership things may be different.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by u8080 on Saturday January 10, 2026 @02:09PM (#46568901)
Why should Linus renounce US citizenship, not finnish? He is living with family in Oregon for 20+ years.

This is my main point here - not much things connecting Linus and Linux to EU. In question of US and EU tensions I am not really sure US citizen BDFL will party with EU, also because companies who spend money and contribute to kernel are located in US mainly.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by supermatt on Saturday January 10, 2026 @04:27PM (#46570083)
In the very post where he discussed the removal of Russian maintainers https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEg... he identifies as Finnish - not American or Finnish-American.

That you are trying to strip him of his own identity speaks volumes.

Anyway, clearly you have some misguided patriotic agenda here. You can thump your chest if it makes you feel better, but theres little point in continuing this discussion.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by c0ndu17 on Friday January 09, 2026 @07:51PM (#46561482)
Yeah, Nah, 0 chance.

Linus Torvalds, imo, is the reason we have open source, through Linux & Git. He’s the open source philosopher king.

I think he’s put enough in to know where his allegiance lies, over a 2010 US citizenship - a very different world.

There is also 0 chance, US/MS government hasn’t put a lot of pressure on him over the last 34 years of creating and spreading, at least the OS form of socialism

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by LunaSea on Friday January 09, 2026 @12:52PM (#46556696)
You mean the actual founder of Linux is from Finland, not just a contributor.

Also you're forgetting all the "US" companies with headquarters in Luxembourg or Ireland.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by juliangmp on Friday January 09, 2026 @04:44AM (#46551921)
What for? Plenty of maintainers for various distros are from Europe and/or the EU.

For example: https://map.debian.net/

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by Mashimo on Friday January 09, 2026 @04:55AM (#46552018)
What is this map? Almost every city in DK and Sweden shows "Kåre Olsen"
Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by embedding-shape on Friday January 09, 2026 @05:56AM (#46552477)
Is all the distributions where most core developers already live in Europe/EU not enough for you? Take a look at where most of the active contributors live for some distributions, and I think you'd be surprised :)
Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by tomaytotomato on Friday January 09, 2026 @06:10AM (#46552604)
With my original flippant comment I was trying to highlight that despite the many Opensource projects and the many awesome people who contribute to them, they should stay at arms length from EU and its legislators.

When legislators start getting involved they will want to inevitably have their "own" version of something and their own SLAs and contracts.

The reason they went with Microsoft/IBM/Oracle and others back in the day for software solutions is; they know on a piece of paper what they are getting, and who they can blame if they don't get it.

With Opensource OS and software, even with auditing and stuff, there is no way to blame anyone apart from end-users. For politicians and bureacracts, that is a scary thing, as they will be the ones to blame (read: asses on the line)

The consultation is great and all but I am skeptical, so I wouldn't be surprised in a few years we will have a EU approved OS that is controlled by bureaucracts.

Hence my comparison to North Korea's Linux distro

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by embedding-shape on Friday January 09, 2026 @06:15AM (#46552641)
> despite the many Opensource projects and the many awesome people who contribute to them, they should stay at arms length from EU and its legislators.

But despite that, they exist today, successfully so, and continue being funded by the very people you claim they should stay away from.

I'm not sure if you looked into how this whole "funding FOSS" thing works like, but governments are not opening a fund, letting any FOSS developer expense stuff to it and calling it a day. Usually they contract a company to work on things, that then end up FOSS.

Even if the end result is FOSS or not, they have the same people they can blame if they want to, the people they paid for certain results. The license of the finished thing doesn't change who's responsible for doing the job they've been paid to do.

I think until you actually understanding how the funding works, it would be fair to avoid doing flippant comments who basically only try to add some fuel to some fire, with some completely out of place comparison to a NK Linux distribution.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by tomaytotomato on Friday January 09, 2026 @06:32AM (#46552755)
The funding mechanism isn't really the point, its the product that comes after.

Sure, the EU contracts developers to build features they want, but when those requirements start coming from regulatory mandates rather than user needs, you're not just adding features to Ubuntu anymore.

You're forking it into something fundamentally different.

"EUbuntu"? :)

Look at how the EU handles tech regulations:

- GDPR a good thing on paper; with some terrible side effects - cookie banners, data bureacracy, walled gardens between US-EU websites.

- AI legislation; lets wait and see

- Digital sovereignty; fundamentally trying to gain access control for EU citizens data from Google and Apple.

Anyways, let's see what happens. Maybe I'm being too cynical and they'll just become savvy end-users of existing distros. But given the pattern, I'm not holding my breath.

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by embedding-shape on Friday January 09, 2026 @06:49AM (#46552888)
> - GDPR a good thing on paper; with some terrible side effects - cookie banners, data bureacracy, walled gardens between US-EU websites.

I was gonna reply to your comment in good faith, but I realize right here that you don't actually understand what you're talking about. Cookie banners have nothing to do with GDPR, at all, and thinking they're somehow connected, grossly misunderstands regulation in the EU. How am I supposed to take anything else you say about these topics with a straight face?

So with that said, I hope you have a continued nice day :)

Re:European Commission issues call for evidence on open source by torginus on Friday January 09, 2026 @08:26AM (#46553583)
I don't get it - do you think the US government doesn't have homegrown linux distros?