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Re:Eat Real Food by cr125rider on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @03:24PM (#46532054)
We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise. Other global medical experts seem to be going against many of his plans.
Re:Eat Real Food by tomcam on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @05:39PM (#46534189)
Kennedy has never said anything like that
Re:Eat Real Food by wsatb on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @08:28PM (#46535885)
"There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective."

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/scicheck-rfk-jr-incorrectl...

Re:Eat Real Food by burkaman on Thursday January 08, 2026 @09:42AM (#46541557)
Some direct, in-context quotes:

> There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective. [interviewer pushes back, brings up polio vaccine] So if you say to me, “The polio vaccine, was it effective against polio?” I’m going to say, “Yes.” And if say to me, “Did it cause more death than avert?” I would say, “I don’t know, because we don’t have the data on that.”

> The most popular vaccine in the world is the DTP vaccine. [...] That vaccine caused so many injuries that Wyeth, which was the manufacturer, said to the Reagan administration, “We are now paying $20 in downstream liabilities for every dollar that we’re making in profits, and we are getting out of the business unless you give us permanent immunity from liability.” And by the way, Reagan said at that time, “Why don’t you just make the vaccine safe?” And why is that? Because vaccines are inherently unsafe. They said, “Unavoidably unsafe, you cannot make them safe.”

Not going quote the whole thing because it's long, but he repeatedly drives home his point that all vaccines are inherently unsafe, and the injuries and deaths they cause always outweigh their effectiveness against disease.

- https://lexfridman.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-transcript/

> I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, ‘Better not get him vaccinated.’ And he heard that from me. If he hears it from 10 other people, maybe he won’t do it, you know, maybe he will save that child.

> If you’re one of 10 people that goes up to a guy, a man or a woman, who’s carrying a baby, and says, ‘Don’t vaccinate that baby,’ when they hear that from 10 people, it’ll make an impression on ‘em, you know. And we all kept our mouth shut. Don’t keep your mouth shut anymore. Confront everybody on it.

- https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-way-forward/hffh-th... timestamp 11:54, 13:30

This one is interesting because the interviewer prompts him with something like "we aren't anti-vaccine, we just want to make sure they're safe" and he does not agree, he repeatedly says, with no qualification, "tell everyone not to vaccinate their children".

I don't believe he has ever voluntarily made a positive public comment about any vaccine. He did during his confirmation hearing, but he was obviously heavily incentivized to do so. During that hearing he did not say his opinion had changed, he simply lied about all past comments and claimed they never happened.

Re:Eat Real Food by vscode-rest on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @03:41PM (#46532357)
The end result of his vax push has been to reduce the set of government required vaccines down to the same set used by Europe already. Additional vaccination is still available should an individual elect.

Are you of the opinion that the European recommendation is insufficient? Would you petition European healthcare industry that they are requiring too few vaccines? If so, I would expect Europeans to be chronically far more diseased than Americans, do we see that in the data?

Re:Eat Real Food by amanaplanacanal on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:12PM (#46532889)
The argument I've seen is that because the US has worse medical care in general, it makes sense to get more vaccinations.
Re:Eat Real Food by j0057 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:19PM (#46533005)
I haven't particularly kept up with RFKs brand of MAGA craziness, but all European countries have different childhood vaccination schedules, with some overlap, see here: https://vaccination-info.europa.eu/en/about-vaccines/when-va...
Re:Eat Real Food by vscode-rest on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @10:19PM (#46536775)
The superset of all Euro vaccines is still much smaller than what the US had. Are we that much healthier?
Re:Eat Real Food by davorak on Thursday January 08, 2026 @03:06AM (#46538549)
What is on the US schedule that is not on Euro schedule?
Re:Eat Real Food by burkaman on Thursday January 08, 2026 @10:02AM (#46541841)
Here's the US vaccine schedule pre-RFK: https://archive.cdc.gov/#/details?q=schedule&start=0&rows=10...

Here's a site where you can view vaccine schedules across Europe: https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/

The only outlier is Hepatitis A, which is still recommended in some European countries. On the reverse side, the meningococcal vaccine is commonly scheduled in Europe but not in the US.

Re:Eat Real Food by Izikiel43 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:22PM (#46533051)
They are based on denmark's guidelines, which as you know is a very cold country.

One of the vaccines made strictly optional was for dengue, which is not really a thing in denmark since I think they don't have that many mosquitos due to weather.

However, in the US, mosquitos and tropical weather are common for a large part of the population.

Point being, a huge country with a huge variety of climates and diseases shouldn't follow the lead of a small country with a fairly homogenous weather and disease pattern.

Re:Eat Real Food by vscode-rest on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @10:16PM (#46536760)
Are you familiar with any European country that does schedule a dengue vaccine? It is not listed here: https://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/
Re:Eat Real Food by Izikiel43 on Wednesday January 14, 2026 @04:29PM (#46623809)
Maybe because dengue is not endemic in Europe? And it is in the Americas?
Re:Eat Real Food by hn_acc1 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:28PM (#46533158)
Once those additional vaccines are off the "routine" schedule, they'll be pulled by the suppliers, because it eliminates exemption from lawsuits. If you "choose" a non-routine vaccination, people can then sue pharma for ANY harm, and you can be sure there'll be a bunch of crackpot right-wingers trying to prove each one is "bad" and they'll disappear sooner or later. RFK's fans (Del Bigtree) have admitted that this is their plan. And if they're NOT routine, they'll probably not be covered by insurance, so you'll have to pay hundreds or thousands to get one. I would still do that, but not many others will.

Electing to get all ZERO optional vaccines actually available to you because of "reasons" isn't much of a choice.

Re:Eat Real Food by jimbobimbo on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @05:05PM (#46533746)
"Once those additional vaccines are off the "routine" schedule, they'll be pulled by the suppliers, because it eliminates exemption from lawsuits"

Why is this bad? From one of the threads - "There IS scrutiny on vaccines, by the scientific and medical community - your "scrutiny" (as presumably neither a PhD in a relevant field or MD) is not valuable or relevant. There is decades of research that says that currently recommended vaccines are safe and effective."

OK, then there won't be grounds for lawsuits or lawsuits will be easily dismissed.

"you can be sure there'll be a bunch of crackpot right-wingers trying to prove each one is "bad" and they'll disappear sooner or later" - This logic can be applied to literally any product, be it a medicine, a vaccine, or any consumer good. Somehow pharma companies are able to sell any other drug without going into bankruptcy.

Re:Eat Real Food by gowld on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @05:53PM (#46534376)
Cerebral palsy, a naturally occuring disorder, generates $10M in "malpractice" payouts, part of why giving birth in USA is so expensive.
Re:Eat Real Food by alterom on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @03:33PM (#46532188)
> We don’t need good vaccines anymore even though infectious diseases are on the rise

To clarify, this is an example of RFK's lunacy, not the user's opinion to be voted on.