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Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by pier25 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @02:55PM (#46531647)
I'm not sure if this is comparable to the yellow pages vs the internet.

Google became profitable in 2001 whereas OpenAI et al are still operating at a huge loss. Even with ads it's not clear whether LLMs can be profitable unless they increase prices significantly.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by usef- on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @03:14PM (#46531893)
Google was not profitable until they rolled out ads, either.

The scope of use of AI assistants in people's lives are significantly higher than google search, imo. People use it in far more scenarios already than just information retrieval. That's why some are betting there's a chance it's more valuable than present-day google search.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by pier25 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @07:30PM (#46535369)
IIRC Google had no monetization at all until ads. Even then the cost of providing search with ads is orders of magnitude lower compared to running LLMs.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by usef- on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @07:45PM (#46535491)
They made money by licensing their search technology to other sites, as well as selling physical search appliances for businesses. They were considered by some to be struggling to find a way to monetise well.

Computational cost is indeed higher than search (though remember, search has been heavily optimised for many years!), but search and web companies were one of the lowest cost, highest-margin businesses in human existence. Many higher-cost businesses have been supported by ads.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by pier25 on Thursday January 08, 2026 @11:12AM (#46542687)
It's not only the computational cost though. Hardware requirements are much higher and GPUs need to be replaced every 2-3 years. Plus model training expenses which are considerable. I imagine it's easily 100x more expensive and the margins (if there's ever any profit) will be very low.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by johnnyanmac on Thursday January 08, 2026 @01:29PM (#46544612)
>Many higher-cost businesses have been supported by ads.

Not at the scale of a trillion dollars, though. You can't make that kind of money back with eyeballs. You either need government subsidies or insane vertical integration. And if your program threatens to neuter the GDP of a country, I don't know how long subsidies will last. At least not in a democracy. People are so mad about immigrants taking jobs, and this would be 10 times worse (and bipartisan, eventually).

Even then: we're quickly hitting a resource wall as well. Are we really going to go to war just so we can have some dude generate AI sheep memes? Something's got to give.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by LanceJones on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @05:25PM (#46534001)
OpenAI could be profitable (easily) if it stopped training new models. Whether they will make that choice or not, who knows.
Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by aatd86 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @05:38PM (#46534180)
That would be short-termist though. So, quite unlikely. In my usage (code) they are still better than everything else I have tried. Point being that I am looking predominantly for the one llm that gives me the best code output. If they risk losing that advantage for immediate profit, guess I will cancel like I did for claude... (I still got a gemini subscription, for some reason it has a good UI, fast for common non technical requests).

Seems to have been my pattern of behavior with all these tools.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by johnnyanmac on Thursday January 08, 2026 @01:33PM (#46544644)
>If they risk losing that advantage for immediate profit, guess I will cancel

We call that "when the bubble pops". Can't wait.

Re:Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team by pier25 on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @11:51PM (#46537324)
Google and Anthropic probably won't stop training though.