Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen
by rfrey on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:50AM
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I think what was meant was moderate ideologically and religiously. Still extreme in their disregard for human life and their determination to maintain power.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen
by dismalaf on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:49AM
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> Which government was relatively moderate? Gaddhafi who threatened to slaughter the rebellious cities block to block on TV? Assad who did just that and gassed his own people for a good measure?
Both of them were more moderate than ISIS lol.
But yeah, Egypt is more moderate than the Muslim brotherhood. Jordan is moderate. The non-Hezbollah part of Lebanon. UAE, Qatar, Oman all quite moderate. The Saudis are even secularizing a tad to try calming down fundamentalist sentiment. All these states actively suppress Islamism and generally are pro-west.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen
by varjag on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:04AM
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None of them where Arab Spring had struggled were "moderate", this is ridiculous. Assad has caused death of over 600k people (by the time they stopped counting in 2019). And ISIS is a natural consequence of these secular (if you can call personality cults even that) dictatorships lasting decades.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen
by dismalaf on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:06AM
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Ok so you ignored the states I did list and focused on the tongue in cheek comment. Gotcha.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen
by varjag on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:08AM
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None of the places you listed (sans Egypt) were a part of Arab Spring, I wonder why.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen
by dismalaf on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:22AM
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The US supported the Arab Spring not understanding that the public mob is worse than the dictators. No country that's not China and perhaps the most powerful NATO allies can resist US military superiority.
Most of the states I listed stayed on the right side of the US and US military equipment and aid keeps them stable.
The indecision of the international community to act is what caused the suffering lasting a decade, led to the rise of ISIS and refugee crisis of enormous proportions.