"This is more about oil and deposing Maduro." Scary how overt these 'operations' are these days. 50 years ago governments would try hide stuff like this. Someone said 'lack of shame' is very concerning with governments of today. Wonder if this is a reflection of where we as a humanity are heading.

> 50 years ago governments would try hide stuff like this

The Cold War was openly about changing governments.

> This is probably more about oil and deposing Maduro.

Correct.

"This isn't about conquering Ukraine, it's about coal and removing Nazi Żeleński from power"

I wasn't paraphrasing Trump but rather speculating about his actual intentions.

I know, not disagreeing with you on that. I felt though it's important to add that too though.

Putin has always been very clear about conquering Ukraine and eliminating anything Ukrainian, including its statehood. Tons of public writing, won't shut up about his fake history of the region, etc. Putin is as clear about his intentions as Hitler was about his intentions.

Could you point to some sources please? Every time I see Putin talk on Ukraine, he clearly expresses the very opposite, so I'd like to see where he's said otherwise.

I can't honestly claim to have paid attention to the whole interview and followed all of his rambling, but he seemed to express in the Tucker interview that he views Ukraine as traditional/rightful Russian territory. Tucker was trying to lead Putin into the claim that the invasion was prompted by NATO doing NATO things (which is the talking point favored by right-aligned American commenters, who want to somehow blame Obama/Biden foreign policy for the war), but Putin just wanted to talk about shit that happened centuries ago.

Yeah that interview was accidentally pretty interesting and also boing af.

en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

A lot of reading there, thanks!

No need. We have ethnic cleansing at home. And in the true US MBA fashion, we outsource the mass graves to other countries.

> We have ethnic cleansing at home

We really do not. And if we want to keep it that way, blurring the lines with this term is something we absolutely should not do like this.

> > We have ethnic cleansing at home

> We really do not. And if we want to keep it that way, blurring the lines with this term is something we absolutely should not do like this.

We really do, and if we want not to, we need to address it rather than denying it.

> We really do, and if we want not to, we need to address it rather than denying it

What are we doing that constitutes the mass expulsion and killing of an ethnic or religious group in America?

Ethnic Cleansing is a policy of rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area. You seem to be using a commonly cited inaccurate definition of genocide instead of the broader term “ethnic cleansing”, but note that even genocide does not require killing as the means, as it is defined (in the 1948 Genocide Convention) as any combination of one or more of seven different acts (one of which is killing members of the group) when undertaken with the specific intent to destroy the given racial, ethnic, national, or religious group.

TIL that neighborhood crime causing white flight is actually ethnic cleansing.

No, that's probably not ethnic cleansing, since the white people who fled to the suburbs were in a position of privilege and wanted to give up their homes. The American government practices ethnic cleansing, as you assert, so and for some reason they just made it illegal to do it in their own cities for the benifit of the most privileged ethnic demographic. Perplexing.

> Ethnic Cleansing is a policy of rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area

So removing non-white Hispanics from America would count? What if the goal isn't to render the area ethnically homogenous?

> So removing non-white Hispanics from America would count?

Obviously that’s the argument put forth. Why phrase it as a question?

> What if the goal isn't to render the area ethnically homogenous?

A fair point, since a favorite argument of the regime and now protected legal doctrine is “the bad thing happened but it’s ok because we didn’t mean it like that”.

Except that doesn’t apply in this case since the goal is explicitly stated.

How would you say steelmanning Republican policies and attempting to find common ground and compromise has been working out so far? Personally I was doing so up until ~June of 2020 and all I really got for it was a lot of grief with still no recognition that I understand and care about many of the things they claim to care about. And society wide? Well, here we are.

But it is being proposed. What do you think Elon is doing when he tweets support for remigration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration), which is literally ethnic cleansing? Or when the DHS posts memes in public proposing to deport 100 million people (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dhs-100-million-deportations-...)? These are acts of ethnic cleansing being normalized before it actually happens. Let’s not ignore it. Instead, let’s vote out every single GOP politician that supports this or stays silent about it.