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Re:Finland detains ship and its crew after critical undersea... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 01, 2026 @07:35PM (#46459945)
> one that ends with the end of the world and billions dead

The point is it doesn’t. Ukraine is on its way to wiping out Russia’s Black Sea Fleet. It’s pure posturing to pretend Moscow is stupid enough to end its existence over a naval battle, much less simply credible threats of one.

Re:Finland detains ship and its crew after critical undersea... by mmooss on Thursday January 01, 2026 @09:21PM (#46460672)
> The point is it doesn’t.

That statement doesn't really amount to much given the risk. I think we need something far more convincing; and many experts clearly think nuclear war is a risk.

Re:Finland detains ship and its crew after critical undersea... by Sabinus on Friday January 02, 2026 @12:15AM (#46461656)
Imagine Trump threatens to nuke Russia if they don't leave Ukraine tomorrow, according to your logic they shouldn't run the risk of a nuclear exchange and Russia should retreat.

Is this correct?

Re:Finland detains ship and its crew after critical undersea... by JumpCrisscross on Friday January 02, 2026 @01:36AM (#46462059)
Spot on. Recognising Putin’s fake lines normalizes a nuclear response to conventional tactics. That path opens to a future where it would be irrational not to constantly threaten nuclear holocaust for minor military advantage. And in that world, someone will eventually miscalculate.
Re:Finland detains ship and its crew after critical undersea... by mmooss on Friday January 02, 2026 @08:04PM (#46471621)
And Russia could threaten to nuke the US unless the US surrendered Poland. Obviously, the hypotheticals are absurd and flawed.
Re:Finland detains ship and its crew after critical undersea... by JumpCrisscross on Friday January 02, 2026 @01:34AM (#46462040)
> many experts clearly think nuclear war is a risk

Look up what they said would trigger a nuclear war at the start of the invasion. Many of those things have already happened.

Re:Finland detains ship and its crew after critical undersea... by mmooss on Friday January 02, 2026 @08:01PM (#46471593)
They said it was a risk. The fact that it didn't happen doesn't disprove that. A 1/100 risk of nuclear war almost certainly wouldn't happen, and would be far too high of a risk.

Also, Biden vary carefully managed that risk by slowing boiling the frog. Too carefully, I thought, but it's reasonable that his overwhelming priority was preventing nuclear war.