Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a programmer"

Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by falcor84 on Sunday December 28, 2025 @04:35PM (#46414767)

The "bubble" is in the financial investment, not in the technology. AI won't disappear after the bubble bursts, just like the web didn't disappear after 2000. If anything, bursting the financial bubble will most likely encourage researchers to experiment more, trying a larger range of cheaper approaches, and do more fundamental engineering rather than just scaling.

AI is here to stay, and the only thing that can stop it at this stage is a Butlerian jihad.

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Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by ldng on Monday December 29, 2025 @05:51AM (#46419328)

I maintain, the web today is not what people though it would be in 1998. The tech has it's uses, it's just not what snake oil sellers are making it to be. And talking about Butlerian jihad is borderline snake oil selling.

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Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by falcor84 on Monday December 29, 2025 @11:15AM (#46422077)

Interesting. What particular 1998 claims do you have in mind that were not (at least approximately) fulfilled?

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Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by design2203 on Monday December 29, 2025 @03:15PM (#46425037)

AI has been here long before LLM’s… also I dislike the people seemingly tying the two terms together as one.

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Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by wiseowise on Monday December 29, 2025 @04:46PM (#46426132)

Not even Butlerian Jihad will stop the current progress at this point.

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Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by lo_zamoyski on Monday December 29, 2025 @06:43PM (#46427516)

Resistance if futile, eh?

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Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by lo_zamoyski on Monday December 29, 2025 @06:42PM (#46427510)

Borg logic consists of framing matters of choice as "inevitable". As long as those with power convince everyone that technological implementation is "inevitable", people will passively accept their self-serving and destructive technological mastery of the world.

The framing allows the rest of us to get ourselves off the hook. "We didn't have a choice! It was INEVITABLE!"

And so, we have chosen.

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Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by falcor84 on Monday December 29, 2025 @06:57PM (#46427653)

But history shows that it is inevitable. Can you give me an example of a single useful technology that humans ever stopped developing because of its negative externalities?

> "We didn't have a choice! It was INEVITABLE!"

There is no "we". You can call it the tragedy of the commons, or Moloch, or whatever you want, but I don't see how you can convince every single developer and financial sponsor on the planet to stop using and developing this (clearly very useful) tech. And as long as you can't, it's socially inevitable.

If you want a practice run, see if you can stop everyone in the world from smoking tobacco, which is so much more clearly detrimental. If you manage that, you might have a small chance at stopping implementation of AI.

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Re:Andrej Karpathy: "I've never felt this much behind as a p... by andrekandre on Monday December 29, 2025 @09:40PM (#46428903)

  > see if you can stop everyone in the world from smoking tobacco

this is a logical fallacy i think; nobody needs to stop tobacco full-stop, but we have been extremely successful at making it less and less incentivized/used over time, which is the goal...

[1] https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/tobacco...

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