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Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by masfuerte on Friday December 19, 2025 @12:46PM (#46328664)
Not long into Trump's second term I read that senior Chinese officials were calling him Orange Santa. I hope it's true.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by rchaud on Friday December 19, 2025 @12:53PM (#46328743)
Christmas has been coming early for China ever since the invasion of Iraq.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by pphysch on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:04PM (#46328868)
There's considerable evidence and reason to believe Washington invaded Afghanistan in 2001 to supercharge opium production (banned by Taliban) and flood/destabilize the region (China, Iran) as part of a deliberate, covert and asymmetric drug proliferation strategy.

Now, you could argue that the subsequent invasion of Iraq was counterproductive to that, but I don't see that argument having water.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by rchaud on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:53PM (#46329452)
I'd argue that the invasion of Iraq benefited plenty of neoconservative aims:

1) eliminating a military threat to Saudi Arabia and Israel

2) placing hundreds of military outposts on Iran's doorstep

3) destabilizing Iran and Syria by empowering militant groups dormant under Saddam to re-arm and try to establish a Caliphate in Syria.

4) awarding trillions in no-bid contracts to Dick Cheney's Halliburton and a slew of arms manufacturers and private military contractors who could operate free of the burdensome rules of the Geneva Conventions. Halliburton received so much business that they moved their HQ to Dubai.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by paulddraper on Friday December 19, 2025 @04:41PM (#46331278)
One point: The Geneva convention applies to all of the military forces a country uses: standing, conscripts, contractors, etc.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by cheeseomlit on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:22PM (#46329077)
If that were true I wonder how much the emergence of fentanyl influenced the decision to pull out of Afghanistan
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by zoklet-enjoyer on Friday December 19, 2025 @03:54PM (#46330791)
I've been saying since at least 2013 that fentanyl is a chemical attack against the US by China. I've been repeatedly downvoted for that statement.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by kyboren on Friday December 19, 2025 @05:20PM (#46331637)
Indeed. I believe it is retribution for the Opium Wars. Sure the US isn't the UK, but it's the successor Anglo empire and is obstructing China's return to their rightful place as global hegemon.

I think Xi Jinping and his CPC wish to inflict a Century of Humiliation on the West, or at least on the members of the Eight-Nation Alliance. Russia and Hungary, beware.

Unfortunately this game only takes one willing participant. We'd better get our heads in the game and begin to play. And we need to prepare for a proper hot war, too, although that's already well understood and those preparations are already well underway.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by zoklet-enjoyer on Friday December 19, 2025 @06:49PM (#46332332)
I was into the whole research chemical thing from maybe 2005 to 2011. People on message boards were doing like $30k+ group buys to get Chinese labs to synthesize new stuff. It was a really interesting time with a lot of money to be made and new chemicals to experience. I started hearing horror stories about people ODing on fentanyl and fentanyl analogues in 2011ish from middle men mixing up orders and mislabeling chemicals. That sketched me out enough that I didn't want anything to do with it anymore. It was very easy to buy fentanyl straight from Chinese labs until at least 2013 but maybe even as late as 2015 or 16. Fentanyl was legal in China until US pressure to ban it and that's when they started sending precursors to Mexico.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by louthy on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:11PM (#46328949)
> There's considerable evidence

Yet you provide none.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by bethekidyouwant on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:53PM (#46329456)
There’s plenty of information out there, books of it even https://youtu.be/TL7qT0goYLw
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by louthy on Sunday December 21, 2025 @10:27AM (#46345511)
Yet you link to a YouTube video of questionable provenance. Not one book reference.

Forgive me for just filing this in the ‘conspiracy theory nonsense’ folder.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by pphysch on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:14PM (#46328979)
This is a HN comment section. You can ask for which claims you want evidence for, instead of low quality trolling.

https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/6416/afghanistans-opium-p...

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by louthy on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:27PM (#46329133)
You said: “There's considerable evidence and reason to believe Washington invaded Afghanistan in 2001 to supercharge opium production”, yet you provide nothing to back up your claim. It is not trolling to point that out.

Your link to some stats on levels of poppy production does not support your conspiracy theory.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by AlexeyBelov on Sunday December 21, 2025 @03:15AM (#46343134)
It's a pattern for this user unfortunately.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by dragonwriter on Friday December 19, 2025 @07:41PM (#46332681)
> There's considerable evidence and reason to believe Washington invaded Afghanistan in 2001 to supercharge opium production

There's a lot more evidence and reason to believe that the US invaded Afghanistan in 2001 because the Bush Administration realized that, despite their initial inclinations, they couldn't sell a war on Iraq as a response to 9/11 without first making a visible effort that was more tangibly connected to the organization that actually carried out the attacks.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by yaqubroli on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:07PM (#46328909)
“Orange santa” in Chinese would be pretty unwieldy as a nickname. “橙黄圣诞老人” is 6 syllables.

But there has been a meme in China for ages that Trump is secretly a Chinese guy named “Chuan Jianguo” (Jianguo means “building the nation”) who was sent by China to destroy America from within.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by aseipp on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:14PM (#46328976)
There was a good tweet after election day where someone wrote that a Chinese classmate was talking about their religious father in Beijing, who thought that Trump was chosen by God to win the election -- but only as part of a larger divine plan to destroy America. Pretty funny, to be honest.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by kakacik on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:53PM (#46329462)
Agent Krasnov, now this, there seems to be competition for whom that guy is fucking up US more.

Although answer is probably simplest - for himself and his ego.

I cant imagine the mental gymnastic any half decent republican must be going through daily to keep avoiding utter debiliating shame for voting him when doing the proverbial look in the mirror.

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by spiderfarmer on Friday December 19, 2025 @12:52PM (#46328735)
I’m pretty sure everyone who sees him for what he is has called him worse.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by paulddraper on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:01PM (#46328825)
> I hope it's true.

Why?

Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by twixfel on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:12PM (#46328953)
It's funny and whatever they call him, it's still true that Trump has been wonderful for China.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by paulddraper on Friday December 19, 2025 @02:15PM (#46329722)
To each their own. I hope that it he has not been wonderful for china.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by bigyabai on Friday December 19, 2025 @09:53PM (#46333274)
Hope won't decide whether or not China prospers. Strategic consistency will.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by twixfel on Saturday December 20, 2025 @04:19AM (#46334720)
Hope doesn't come into it. It's just a fact. And if you accept it as a fact, then hoping they have a silly name for him isn't the same as hoping Trump's been good for China. Like I say, it's not a question, of course he has been.
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Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by rapnie on Friday December 19, 2025 @01:08PM (#46328923)
Stick it, because? Always ask why. Perhaps the orange man is shitting in gardens far and wide abroad? Personally I do not want America to fail at all, to flourish even, and for it to remain a democracy at that. It helps. The orange man seems to have differently opinion.
Re:TikTok Deal Is the Shittiest Possible Outcome, Making Eve... by delaminator on Friday December 19, 2025 @06:05PM (#46332001)
You're not masfuerte who hoped it was true.

If you want your country to fail because you don't like the president, that's terrible.

I feel stuck under Starmer but I don't want his policies to fail the country in order to prove my position correct!