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Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by aftbit on Monday December 15, 2025 @04:56PM (#46281292)
Yeah that LE root certificate change broke our PROD for about 25% of traffic when it happened. Everyone acts like we control our client's cert chains. Clients don't look at the failure and think "our system is broken - we should upgrade". They look at the connection failure and think "this vendor is busted - might as well switch to someone who works". I switched away from LE to the other free ACME provider for our public-facing certs after that.
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by nickf on Monday December 15, 2025 @05:43PM (#46281880)
Roots for all CAs are going to be rotating much more frequently now. Looking to be every 5 years.
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by silverwind on Monday December 15, 2025 @07:29PM (#46283087)
Sounds like planned obsolescence if devices stop working after 5 years or less.
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by majewsky on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @05:02AM (#46286746)
Only for devices that do not allow you to patch the CA bundle as an aftermarket repair. Call your representative and demand Right to Repair legislation.
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by aftbit on Thursday December 18, 2025 @12:11PM (#46315513)
That is ... basically all of them? Other than general purpose desktop/laptop computers that is. Show me a TV or smartphone that does allow you to push new roots to it...
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by michaelt on Monday December 15, 2025 @05:52PM (#46281986)
I'd be interested in hearing more - do you have a source for this?

Seems to me CAs have intermediate certificates and can rotate those, not much upside to rotating the root certificates, and lots of downsides.

Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by nickf on Monday December 15, 2025 @05:54PM (#46282014)
Chrome root policy, and likely other root policies are moving toward 5-years rotation of the roots, and annual rotation of issuing CAs. Cross-signing works fine for root rotation in most cases, unless you use IIS, then it becomes a fun problem.
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by mikestorrent on Monday December 15, 2025 @08:26PM (#46283561)
What an absolute pain in the ass for a mediocre increase in security.
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by aaomidi on Monday December 15, 2025 @06:25PM (#46282401)
The upside to rotating roots is:

1. These might need to happen as emergencies if something bad happens

2. If roots rotate often then we build the muscle of making sure trust bundles can be updated

I think the weird amount they are being rotated today is the real root cause if broken devices and we need to stop the bleed at some point.

Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by selcuka on Monday December 15, 2025 @11:01PM (#46284622)
> If roots rotate often then we build the muscle of making sure trust bundles can be updated

Five years is not enough incentive to push this change. A TV manufacturer can simply shrug and claim that the device is not under warranty anymore. We'll only end up with more bricked devices.

Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by aaomidi on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @02:48AM (#46285854)
5 years also is a step not a destination
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by account42 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @07:56AM (#46287930)
Sounds more like a detour across hot coals that doesn't get us anywhere closer to the destination.
Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by michaelt on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @03:14AM (#46286040)
> 1. These might need to happen as emergencies if something bad happens

Isn't this the whole point of intermediate certificates, though?

You know, all the CA's online systems only having an intermediate certificate (and even then, keeping it in a HSM) and the CA's root only being used for 20 seconds or so every year to update the intermediate certificates? And the rest of the time being locked up safer than Fort Knox?

Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by aaomidi on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @09:11AM (#46288675)
The thing is even the most secure facilities need ingress and egress points.

Those are weaknesses. It’s also that a root rotation might be needed for completely stupid vulnerabilities. Like years later finding that specific key was generated incorrectly.

Re:Upcoming Changes to Let's Encrypt Certificates by account42 on Tuesday December 16, 2025 @07:53AM (#46287891)
And your clients are right. The "security" community's wanton disregard for backwards compatibility is abhorrent.