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Re:The Universal Weight Subspace Hypothesis by bigbuppo on Monday December 08, 2025 @09:54PM (#46200728)
Wouldn't this also mean that there's an inherent limit to that sort of model?
Re:The Universal Weight Subspace Hypothesis by rhaen on Monday December 08, 2025 @10:12PM (#46200849)
Not strictly speaking? A universal subspace can be identified without necessarily being finite.

As a really stupid example: the sets of integers less than 2, 8, 5, and 30 can all be embedded in the set of integers less than 50, but that doesn’t require that the set of integer is finite. You can always get a bigger one that embeds the smaller.

Re:The Universal Weight Subspace Hypothesis by scotty79 on Monday December 08, 2025 @11:04PM (#46201107)
> Wouldn't this also mean that there's an inherent limit to that sort of model?

If all need just 16 dimensions if we ever make one that needs 17 we know we are making progress instead of running in circles.

Re:The Universal Weight Subspace Hypothesis by moelf on Monday December 08, 2025 @11:59PM (#46201394)
you can always make a new vector that's orthogonal to all the ones currently used and see if the inclusion improves performance on your tasks
Re:The Universal Weight Subspace Hypothesis by scotty79 on Tuesday December 09, 2025 @03:00AM (#46202432)
> see if the inclusion improves performance on your tasks

Apparently it doesn't at least not in our models with our training applied to our tasks.

So if we expand one of those 3 things and notice that 17-th vector makes a difference then we are having progress.

Re:The Universal Weight Subspace Hypothesis by markisus on Tuesday December 09, 2025 @09:28AM (#46205251)
On the contrary, I think it demonstrates an inherent limit to the kind of tasks / datasets that human beings care about.

It's known that large neural networks can even memorize random data. The number of random datasets is unfathomably large, and the weight space of neural networks trained on random data would probably not live in a low dimensional subspace.

It's only the interesting-to-human datasets, as far as I know, that drive the neural network weights to a low dimensional subspace.