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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by cogman10 on Sunday November 30, 2025 @05:15PM (#46100977)
Don't forget the death and pointless carnage as downsides.

Bombing fishing boats, saying it's "drugs" and using that to justify a war in our back-porch is insanity.

Who even supports this? It seems like the most unjustified war we've ever started.

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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by amanaplanacanal on Sunday November 30, 2025 @05:32PM (#46101084)
This feels even more manufactured than the Iraq invasion. I don't understand why Trump would do something like this which is gonna peel off yet another group of his supporters. Maybe he just thinks he's invincible now? He must feel like this helps him politically somehow, but I can't figure out how.
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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by cocoalba on Sunday November 30, 2025 @08:14PM (#46102329)
The Iran strikes gave him a taste for blood. He liked it
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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday November 30, 2025 @05:55PM (#46101287)
> he must feel like this helps him politically somehow, but I can't figure out how

Distracts from a tariff-ravaged economy and the Epstein files. Potentially lets him funnel defence spending to allies.

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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by blibble on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:04PM (#46101358)
> Potentially lets him funnel defence spending to allies.

it won't have any

even the UK has decided not to support the US regime on this one

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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:10PM (#46101408)
> it won't have any

Political allies. David Sacks, et cetera.

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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by derwiki on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:29PM (#46101553)
Genuinely curious: what stats back up “tariff-ravaged economy”? S&P is essentially at an all-time high
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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by crote on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:42PM (#46101646)
And how much of that is felt by real-world people?

The insane stock price of Nvidia & friends due to them passing around billions between each other doesn't matter even the slightest bit when your family business is going bankrupt.

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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:51PM (#46101718)
> what stats back up “tariff-ravaged economy”? S&P is essentially at an all-time high

Production is good, you're right. Where Trump is feeling electoral pain is in cost of living. It's why the U.S. has started lifting "tariffs on bananas, coffee and dozens of other food-related items" [1].

[1] https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/trump-tariff-exemptions-fo...

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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by amanaplanacanal on Monday December 01, 2025 @11:01AM (#46108944)
Unemployment and inflation numbers are probably more important indicators of economic health for most people than the stock market. The stock market might be good for the capital-owning class though.
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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by mc32 on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:53PM (#46101727)
I don’t see much upside either other than a regime change that brings some semblance of mediocrity back to the country. Currently millions of Venezuelans languish somewhat unwanted in other LatAm counties. They’d jump at going back home to be part of the rebuild — which can happen. Before Chavistas it was the richest country in LatAm and they can absolutely regain that title with even a mildly competent government.
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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by flag_fagger on Sunday November 30, 2025 @06:11PM (#46101416)
> I don't understand why Trump would do something like this which is gonna peel off yet another group of his supporters

The guy was like a walking auction item as soon as he started his second term. He’s nearly 80. He’s gonna amass a nice fortune for his family and dip.

Come on man, the guy was shilling his own shitcoin as sitting president.

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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday November 30, 2025 @05:44PM (#46101190)
> Who even supports this?

Over a third of each of 2024 Trump voters and self-identified conservatives consider Venezuela America's "enemy" [1]. (Over two fifths of each of the male, Hispanic, 65+ and $100k+ income demos view Maduro unfavourably.)

Also, "weapons and AI platforms that were designed for a future conflict with China or struggled to prove themselves on the Ukrainian battlefield have found a niche in the administration’s tech-enabled crackdown on drug trafficking" [2]. ("In an interview, Palantir Technologies Chief Executive Alex Karp declined to say whether his company’s technology was involved in counternarcotics operations, but voiced support for the strikes. 'If we are involved, I am very proud,' Karp said.")

[1] https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabRepor... The Economist/YouGov, November 15 to 17, U.S. Adult Citizens

[2] https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/trumps-focus-...

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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by clanky on Sunday November 30, 2025 @05:47PM (#46101220)
One third is really not a solid base of support for major military action, especially among the administration's staunchest supporters. My purely subjective impression is that there is plenty of doubt in the ranks of MAGA about this, Fox News consent manufacturing notwithstanding. Of course, the imperatives of imperialism being what they are, I don't think it makes much difference.
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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by scruple on Sunday November 30, 2025 @10:27PM (#46103195)
It seems like an easy move to make to me. If you say it's WMDs, you have to eventually turn out the WMDs. If you say it's cocaine, well there's plenty of coke in Venezuela. It's dead simple to tie it to Maduro and label him a drug lord as justification.
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Re:White House gives Maduro ultimatum as U.S. moves toward l... by cogman10 on Monday December 01, 2025 @08:08AM (#46106955)
WMDs posed a threat to the surrounding nations and the US.

Coke is a threat primarily to coke addicts.

We didn't, for example, invade Afghanistan because of the poppy fields.

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