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Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Saturday November 29, 2025 @07:45AM (#46087114)
In the 1980s, the American Heart Association listed many contributors to heart disease.

A missing one: smoking.

At some point, it was revealed that Big Tobacco was a major contributor to the AHA.

They now list tobacco as a big risk factor.

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by RobotToaster on Saturday November 29, 2025 @08:06AM (#46087251)
"friends of the earth" was originally funded by the oil CEO Robert Anderson to oppose nuclear power.
Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:12AM (#46087667)
The invention of the "Type A personality" had similar roots.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3036703/

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by muglug on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:36AM (#46087855)
This claim is meritless — FOE’s wiki talk page has a comment at the end debunking the accusation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Friends_of_the_Earth

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by bonsai_spool on Saturday November 29, 2025 @08:47AM (#46087506)
> In the 1980s, the American Heart Association listed many contributors to heart disease.

> A missing one: smoking.

> At some point, it was revealed that Big Tobacco was a major contributor to the AHA.

> They now list tobacco as a big risk factor.

https://www.heart.org/en/bold-hearts-the-centennial/100-year...

Taking on tobacco was no small task at mid-century, when more than half of men and a third of women smoked. In 1956, the AHA’s first scientific statement on smoking concluded that more evidence was needed to link it to heart disease. But as evidence grew, so did our role. Even before the landmark Surgeon General’s report of 1964, we called for a public campaign against smoking.

By 1971, we said cigarette smoking “contributed significantly” to coronary heart disease, and in 1977, we declared smoking to be the most preventable cause of heart disease.

In the 1980s, with significant support from the AHA, new laws required stronger warning labels for cigarettes and banned smoking on airplanes. Today, we’re working to understand the risks of e-cigarettes and vaping while fighting to keep teens and others from starting.

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by monooso on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:07AM (#46087628)
Not sure why you're being downvoted. At least you provided a source for your comment, unlike GP.
Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:10AM (#46087644)
I agree. My only source was from personal experience. I saw the ads, myself, and remember when it changed. I think that the article may be a bit of "damage control."

Gave it a +1.

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by bonsai_spool on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:15AM (#46087688)
> I saw the ads, myself, and remember when it changed.

Fair enough, I guess their public policy position doesn't necessarily inform how they conduct advertising.

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by astura on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:35AM (#46087849)
So because of an advertisement you might have seen 40 years ago you made up a major funding source out of whole cloth?
Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Saturday November 29, 2025 @12:11PM (#46089090)
No. I also read about the funding reveal. I also mentioned that, but I guess it didn’t register.
Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ai_updates on Sunday November 30, 2025 @08:53AM (#46096661)
Helpful breakdown, this clarifies the concept well.
Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Sunday November 30, 2025 @04:46PM (#46100757)
Wonderful. A bot HN companion cube.

Thanks for "sharing."

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by dannyfritz07 on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:19AM (#46087728)
I must be blind. How do you downvote? I've only ever seen an upvote.
Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by astura on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:28AM (#46087787)
You have to have a minimum amount of karma here to get a down vote button. I think it's 500.
Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by lucb1e on Saturday November 29, 2025 @08:22PM (#46092610)
Correct. And to add: it only applies to comments; non-moderators cannot downvote stories
Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Sunday November 30, 2025 @04:49PM (#46100773)
You can flag, but a lone flag is worthless. Not sure how many it takes to nuke a story or comment.

For myself, I only downvote/flag stuff that I consider harmful to the community.

That does not include stories or comments with which I disagree. In fact, I frequently upvote comments posted, that attack my own positions, if they do so in a reasonable manner. Groupthink sucks, and I frequently change my mind, based on orthogonal feedback.

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by astura on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:13AM (#46087675)
This is straight up just a bold faced lie.

Big Tobacco never funded the American Heart Association.

AHA never purposefully ommited smoking as a cause of heart disease. In fact, they were at the forefront of the research to prove a link between smoking and heart disease. They met with the The Surgeon General in 1961 to request the formation of the Advisory Committee on Smoking and Health. Report can be viewed here - https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/tobacco/nnbbmq.pdf

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Saturday November 29, 2025 @12:07PM (#46089054)
I would be careful about labeling stuff “lies.”

What’s that saying? “Make your words sweet, because one day, you may need to eat them.”

Shadow funding has been a thing for over a century, but it’s getting harder to pull off, as time progresses.

My mother used to be in charge of fundraising for a nonprofit, and she had to be very careful about the provenance of funding. She was just doing it for a science center; not research, so she was actively seeking support from corporations, and needed to make sure that there was no hidden “quid pro quo” (sometimes , there was “aboveboard quid pro quo”). Some of the stories she told me about dodgy funding schemes were eyebrow-raising.

A lot of time, there’s no “quid pro quo.” They just want to have additional research out there, to “muddy the water,” in the future, so they may proxy-fund some pretty whacky stuff.

They will also go after individuals; not organizations.

People kind of suck, sometimes.

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by warmedcookie on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:28AM (#46087791)
I'm more inclined to believe the person you responded to given how often I saw the AHA heart check logo on some questionable cereals in the 90s.

Yeah, these cereals have soluble fiber...with a bunch of sugar.

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by bonsai_spool on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:59AM (#46088031)
The assertion of GP is incorrect about AHA not opposing smoking but I can’t find information about their historical sponsors.

The cereal thing is problematic but there wasn’t good data about this at first (which, itself, was due to corporate lobbying/grant-making)

Re:Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for publ... by ChrisMarshallNY on Saturday November 29, 2025 @09:16AM (#46087699)
> Big Tobacco never funded the American Heart Association.

Yeah...not so sure about that. Tobacco has been pretty sneaky, in funding stuff (see the NIH article on stress research).

A lot of this stuff is only starting to come to light, because folks are able to scan databases of historical information.