Re:Flight disruption warning as Airbus requests modification...
by RossBencina on Friday November 28, 2025 @07:00PM
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Not my area at all, but I'm extremely surprised that a fly-by-wire system would use GPS as an altitude reference. Is that really the case?
Re:Flight disruption warning as Airbus requests modification...
by adhambadr on Friday November 28, 2025 @07:37PM
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It’s a combined signal system, using pressure based sensors + gps.
Re:Flight disruption warning as Airbus requests modification...
by ape4 on Friday November 28, 2025 @07:55PM
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And inertial guidance too?
Re:Flight disruption warning as Airbus requests modification...
by adhambadr on Saturday November 29, 2025 @05:55AM
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I don’t know what airbus uses I only looked into the schematics of commercial avionics like Garmin.
I doubted though IMU drift and calibration introduce more error than they can provide in useful signal, old school pressure sensors + gps adjusted manually or automatically for regional pressure settings (pilots get these numbers through radio when they enter a new pressure area) is accurate enough (~1m). I’ll let a real avionics engineer correct me here, I’d be curious if that signal is worth the hassle + I can imagine such tiny SMD sensors ARE the biggest victims of radiation hallucination.
Re:Flight disruption warning as Airbus requests modification...
by a-dub on Friday November 28, 2025 @07:12PM
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i would expect a huge shift like that to violate the gaussian assumption of the kalman filter? (which i guess is what you're checking, sort of?). regardless i would expect the kalman filter to smooth the shift over some substantial time at least?
Re:Flight disruption warning as Airbus requests modification...
by londons_explore on Saturday November 29, 2025 @01:55AM
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I think it more likely these receivers fell for a spoof GPS signal or some software bug internal to the receiver than a solar bitflip.
Re:Flight disruption warning as Airbus requests modification...
by tonyarkles on Saturday November 29, 2025 @11:04AM
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In our case I don’t believe it was solar bitflips but rather wildly changing ionospheric conditions. I was primarily pointing out how you can have a software-only fix for problems like this.
Without going too far into the weeds, the fact that the receivers in question were reporting high accuracy under uncertainty is definitely a software bug in the receivers from my perspective. There was a different receiver with a completely different chipset in it on-site too that was experiencing similar issues but was reporting low accuracy. Without going into too much detail, I’ve got pretty good reasons to believe it wasn’t spoofing.
There wasn’t a software fix per se, but we were able to quickly add a check to verify that the Kalman Filter’s position variance estimate was on the same order of magnitude as the accuracy level that the receivers were reporting and put a big red warning up. This wasn’t a flight-critical system, but it is the first time we’d ever seen that behaviour from those receivers and we’ve used them for 5 years.