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Re:The State of GPL Propagation to AI Models by munchler on Thursday November 27, 2025 @09:43AM (#46069687)
By that logic, humans would also be prevented from “training” on (i.e. learning from) such code. Hard to see how this could be a valid license.
Re:The State of GPL Propagation to AI Models by psychoslave on Thursday November 27, 2025 @09:49AM (#46069751)
Isn’t it the very reason why we need cleanroom software engineering:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanroom_software_engineering

Re:The State of GPL Propagation to AI Models by mr_toad on Thursday November 27, 2025 @02:45PM (#46072622)
If a human reads code, and then reproduces said code, that can be a copyright violation. But you can read the code, learn from it, and produce something totally different. The middle ground, where you read code, and produce something similar is a grey area.
Re:The State of GPL Propagation to AI Models by codedokode on Thursday November 27, 2025 @09:58AM (#46069835)
Bad analogy, probably made up by capitalists to confuse people. ML models cannot and do not learn. "learning" is a name of a process, when model developer downloads pirated material and processes it with an algorithm (computes parameters from it).

Also, humans do not need to read million of pirated books to learn to talk. And a human artist doesn't need to steal million pictures to learn to draw.

Re:The State of GPL Propagation to AI Models by 1gn15 on Thursday November 27, 2025 @10:55AM (#46070418)
> And a human artist doesn't need to steal million pictures to learn to draw.

They... do? Not just pictures, but also real life data, which is a lot more data than an average modern ML system has. An average artist has probably seen- stolen millions of pictures from their social media feeds over their lifetime.

Also, claiming to be anti-capitalist while defending one of the most offensive types of private property there is. The whole point of anti-capitalism is being anti private property. And copyright is private property because it gives you power over others. You must be against copyright and be against the concept of "stealing pictures" if you are to be an anti-capitalist.

Re:The State of GPL Propagation to AI Models by codedokode on Friday November 28, 2025 @10:23AM (#46079423)
For property to give you power, you need to concentrate lot of it, or own something expensive or exclusive. That's what capitalists do: a capitalist owns an expensive lathe, and you don't so you have no choice but to work for the capitalist on capitalist's terms (you can replace lathe with GPU farm for more modern analogy).

Owning a song, a book or a picture doesn't give you much power by itself.

Re:The State of GPL Propagation to AI Models by bluefirebrand on Thursday November 27, 2025 @07:25PM (#46074436)
There is absolutely no reason that LLMs (or Corporations) should have the same rights as humans