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Re:What OpenAI Did When ChatGPT Users Lost Touch with Realit... by HeinzStuckeIt on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @03:55AM (#46043803)
The parent post is getting flack, but it’s hard to see why it is controversial. I have heard “women want a special man who will provide and protect” from every single woman I have ever dated or been married to, and from every female friend with whom I could have such deep conversations. (And it’s why I’m single by choice now, because I don’t want to be seen as a protector and provider, but rather as a companion with whom to share certain sublime experiences in life like art or travel.) At some point one feels one has enough data to reasonably assume it’s a human universal, which doesn’t deny the existence of exceptions.

I can believe that many women are having a hard time under modernity, because so many men no longer feel bound by the former expectations of old-school protector and provider behavior. Some men, like me, now view relationships as two autonomous individuals coming together for shared interests. Other men might be just extracting casual sex from women and then will quickly move on. TLDR, there is much less social pressure on men now, which impacts in turn on what women are able to get.

Re:What OpenAI Did When ChatGPT Users Lost Touch with Realit... by goatlover on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @07:17AM (#46045111)
Because the post is making an unfounded claim about human female evolution along with another unfounded claim about modernity being different from the rest of history, which involves a ton of cultures and societies.
Re:What OpenAI Did When ChatGPT Users Lost Touch with Realit... by HeinzStuckeIt on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @08:05AM (#46045410)
I think the claim that modernity is different is easily defendable. No society during the rest of history had such effective birth control, nor welfare states that removed pressure to produce offspring or even interact so much with family or other members of society. Again, as a man I feel like I am able to live a life very different than I would have been pressured into before, and this surely has ramifications for modern dating and relationships.
Re:What OpenAI Did When ChatGPT Users Lost Touch with Realit... by staticman2 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @09:03AM (#46045865)
This is from the evolutionary psychiatry book The Moral Animal:

>"What the theory of natural selection says, rather, is that people's minds were designed to maximize fitness in the environment in which those minds evolved. This environment is known as the EEA—the environment of evolutionary adaptation. Or, more memorably: the 'ancestral environment.'...

>"What was the ancestral environment like? The closest thing to a twentieth-century example is a hunter-gatherer society, such as the !Kung San of the Kalahari Desert in Africa, the Inuit (Eskimos) of the Arctic region, or the Ache of Paraguay.

>"Inconveniently, hunter-gatherer societies are quite different from one another, rendering simple generalization about the crucible of human evolution difficult. This diversity is a reminder that the idea of a single EEA is actually a fiction, a composite drawing; our ancestral social environment no doubt changed much in the course of human evolution. Still, there are recurring themes among contemporary hunter-gatherer societies, and they suggest that some features probably stayed fairly constant during much of the evolution of the human mind. For example: people grew up near close kin in small villages where everyone knew everyone else and strangers didn't show up very often. People got married—monogamously or polygamously—and a female typically was married by the time she was old enough to be fertile."

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The idea that modern life is different is obvious.

I get the impression that there's some other conversation going on here that has nothing to do with evolution and you are not saying "lets all live in Igloos...".

Re:What OpenAI Did When ChatGPT Users Lost Touch with Realit... by staticman2 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @08:33AM (#46045629)
You say it's hard to see why it's controversial.

Making claims about "evolution" of "women" without even demonstrating a passing familiarity with the (controversial!) field of evolutionary psychology is a choice.

Re:What OpenAI Did When ChatGPT Users Lost Touch with Realit... by Refreeze5224 on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @11:39AM (#46047591)
Your understanding of the "anthropology-adjacent academic field" is wrong. There are so many ways humans have organized their societies and so many ways men and women have interacted, that to pretend there is some primeval hunter-gatherer society that generated all human evolutionary behaviours is silly. And a typical patriarchal construct that benefits men.
Re:What OpenAI Did When ChatGPT Users Lost Touch with Realit... by dpark on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @12:46PM (#46048415)
> but it’s hard to see why it is controversial

You’re probably consuming too much red pill nonsense if it’s hard for you to see why claiming that women who experience multiple sexual partners are mentally damaged is controversial.

The veneer of modern pop psych doesn’t change that this is just slut shaming, no different fundamentally from the claim that women who have multiple partners have loose vaginas. There’s no science behind these sorts of claims. It’s just a mask for insecurity.